Posted on 05/18/2019 7:04:04 AM PDT by Drew68
It's a row that goes to the heart of how children should be prepared for life in modern Britain.
Parents have been demonstrating for weeks outside their children's primary schools in Birmingham because they're unhappy that children are being taught that it is okay to be gay.
The parents at Anderton Park Primary and Parkfield Community School say it contradicts their religious beliefs. The vast majority of pupils at the schools are Muslims.
The protests have forced Parkfield to pull the lessons while they consult with parents. The headteacher at Anderton Park is adamant nothing will change despite facing daily demonstrations with the protesters - including her own pupils - chanting for her to quit.
Parents at Anderton Park are planning to withdraw their children from the school on Monday after talks to resolve the dispute were unsuccessful.
One of the lead protesters, Amir Ahmed, has helped lead protests at both schools despite not having children at either.
His son goes to Nansen Primary which was one of five schools put into special measures in 2014 during a scandal in Birmingham known as "Trojan Horse". Ofsted found evidence of strict religious practices being imposed by some governors and staff in secular schools in the city.
Mr Ahmed believes the investigation into the schools was prejudiced and talks of a sense of injustice. He says schools should adopt the religious ethos of the communities that pupils live in.
He adds that teaching about gay relationships in schools in Muslim areas is "socially divisive because it's changing the moral position of family values".
Opposition to lessons that make pupils aware of same sex couples is spreading beyond Birmingham. The National Association of Head Teachers says letters have been sent to more than 50 schools across seven parts of the country...
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The Islamicists are going to win this one because they’ll firebomb the schools and kill teachers and administrators until they get their way.
I’m not happy about it, but that’s how this will play out.
How long will it be before it will be legal to kill LBGT people in England. Not long as far as I can see,
When they’re a minority they vote as a block. Which in a country like the UK, where there’s tight elections, they can hold a tremendous amount of power in being able to tip the vote.
Nobody wants the “Muslim vote” to be specifically *against* them. They pander to them, giving them positions of power, which just empowers them further.
It’s actually a good example of why, for all its problems, a two party system is better. They can’t have the same level of influence. That said, they will, but only in one party - and we know which. It will be their doom.
In the UK, I think it might be too late. If Brexit doesn’t happen they’re done, it’s their last chance.
“It’s actually a good example of why, for all its problems, a two party system is better. “
Absolutely. Muslims have discovered that in countries that have to form coalition governments it’s possible for a small group that votes as a block to leverage enormous power.
Muslims certainly don’t vote as a bloc in the UK. Both the two main parties have significant Muslim membership.
Can you provide some data on that? ...as they certainly behave as a block.
Currently there are 14 Muslim Labour MPs, 2 Conservatives. In the House of Lards there are 4 Labour, 5 Conservative, 3 Lib Dem (and a number of others who are not party-affiliated.) At the recent local government elections 28 Labour were newly elected, 11 Conservative, 3 Lib Dem.
And I certainly wouldn’t agree that Muslims ‘ behave as a block’. It seems as if they do because only a certain kind of behaviour is widely reported.
boy - first, I’d argue this validates my point - both parties are pandering to them, just in different locations.
Second, you don’t believe Muslims behave as a block? OK, given your spelling I know you’re from the UK, I’d suggest you believe that because of what is “widely reported”. Which is lies, every day. I’d suggest you wake up - Muslims group together *everywhere*. To not know this is very surprising to hear from a Freeper. Sorry, I can’t wrap my head around not understanding Islam, Sharia, and how Muslims are commanded to force everyone (the world) to submit to Islam; convert, pay the jizya, or die - those are your options.
If you don’t believe they behave as a block you must be listening to the BBC or something.
Politically, many come from social conservative backgrounds (Islam is itself socially conservative in many ways), and the first generation of Muslim immigrants in the 1960s/70s, who came predominantly from the former British India, seem to have felt most at home with the Conservative Party, and tended to vote that way - the older generation still does. But in recent elections (particularly 2017) there's been a significant swing to Labour. Neither is the result of the parties 'pandering' to Islam - indeed muslims were scarcely noticed politically until the later 1990s.
Respectfully, I believe you’re being incredibly naive. If you don’t see that the establishment isn’t terrified of being called “racist” or “Islamophobic” and that the police would rather crush those engaging in free speech because it’s easier than arresting those threatening violence due to their “offense”, then I suggest you look a little harder.
How would you know if they’re being “pandered to” or not? There’s cases up and down the country - including all the rape gangs where authorities ignored what they all knew was going on. Their population is doubling each decade and you think they’re “neutral” and politicians don’t notice? Come on.
The followers of Islam do not “out” each other. If someone is a “true Muslim” they believe in Sharia and are anti-individual liberty. They’re also allowed to lie to you to advance Islam. I think the dynamics of what is happening is faster than you’re realizing.
That wearisomely familiar catalogue of truths, half-truths and untruths characteristically misrepresents a subject which is far more complex than you suppose. The Rotherham saga was indeed shameful, but following its exposure - not by such as Mr Robinson, but by old-fashioned investigative reporting by, guess what, the BBC Panorama programme - subsequent official action has been very different: witness the continuing series of group prosecutions and convictions elsewhere. And few of your persuasion notice that convictions for conspiracy to commit acts of terrorism exceeds terrorist acts actually carried out by about 5 to one, or that the Muslim prison population exceeds, pro rata, the Muslim population at large by over 2 to 1.
It’s easy to conclude that a population acts or thinks in a uniform way if your information is largely media- or social media-sourced. It’s the media’s business to report aberrant behaviours, not conventional behaviour, which isn’t news. There are indeed serious problems with Islam in this country: but they’re serious problems, not the universal apocalypse which the hyperbole of those with a limited, mostly distant understanding assumes.
Tell me an “untruth” that I’ve mentioned?
You’re making assumptions also:
- I don’t understand these complexities
- I don’t know the UK well
- The same problems don’t exist elsewhere
- I’m unaware of the UK Muslim prison population in proportion to the general population (which is a huge red-flag)
I’m really surprised by your reference to the BBC & Panorama. The *fact* is that “Mr. Robinson” had been trying to bring attention to the rape gangs for many years prior. And this is the same BBC that knew about Jimmy Saville? The same Panorama that attempted to do a “Tommy take down” episode and was exposed as working with far left, Soros funded, organizations? I know many in the UK have realized how rotten the BBC has become.
You sound educated but I smell an element of condescension. Are these problems happening in your town? If you extrapolate the growth rate of Muslim populations, respective to the cultural turmoil that results, seen in many countries, you can see an exponential problem. I believe it’d be a fools errand to think that this isn’t the most existential threat that a society will confront.
Within two decades England will have a 20% (projected) Muslim population. This is only going to get worse, quickly - and that isn’t hyperbole.
I won’t pursue the generalities, since we’re not going to agree. But to answer specifically your ‘untruth’ - if you knew only a fraction of the hours and dogged determination by police, prosecutors and child support agencies which has been necessary, following the lessons learned from the Rotherham disgrace, to assemble evidence from child witnesses and victims which will stand up in court and be brought home to multiple perpetrators, I don’t think you’d sustain for one moment your accusation of establishment indifference.
And yes, it was indeed ‘that’ BBC. And if the Muslim population of the UK reaches 20% within two decades, then I will have metamorphosed to a banana.
We’ll certainly agree to disagree. You still have a high regard for the BBC. Regarding populations, I cited figures for England, not all of the UK. They’re out breeding you. They have far more kids and have them at younger ages. The resulting birth cycle is far faster. The projection is to double every decade and they’re currently at 5%.
I don’t believe you’re experiencing what many communities are or see the rapid demographic changes that are occurring. Every time I return to my homeland the drastic changes are obvious. Maybe you don’t believe any of this will affect you. For many, it is already, it’s demonstrable.
That said, I can see that you’re not open to other opinions. I guess I’ll just hope I’m wrong and you’re right but I believe you’re engaging in wishful thinking.
Regards.
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