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Virginia agrees to let Arlington rename Jefferson Davis Highway
Washington Post ^ | May 15, 2019 | Patricia Sullivan

Posted on 05/15/2019 12:48:32 PM PDT by EdnaMode

Almost 100 years after Confederate sympathizers named a major Virginia road after the president of their lost cause, Arlington County won approval from a state transportation board to rename Jefferson Davis Highway.

The Commonwealth Transportation Board voted unanimously Wednesday morning to allow Arlington to change the name of the road — commonly known as Route 1 — to Richmond Highway by Oct. 1, after lobbying by the county, legislators, business and residential groups, and Gov. Ralph Northam (D).

“What we just heard, through the unanimous vote and the words of the governor, is it’s past time,” said Christian Dorsey (D), chair of the County Board. He added later that the street signs would be changed no later than Oct. 1.

The county has tried for years to change the road’s name but has been stymied by the General Assembly, which held the power to block requests made by counties, officials believed. But Del. Mark Levine (D-Alexandria) found an exception that allowed the statewide transportation board to act, if requested by the county. Attorney General Mark R. Herring (D) agreed in an advisory opinion in March, and one month later, Arlington made the formal request.

Business owners told the board Wednesday that having addresses on Jefferson Davis Highway cost them customers, including the loss of a convention at the hotel where the board meeting was held. Other potential tenants have refused to rent space in buildings with a Jefferson Davis address, an Arlington Chamber of Commerce executive said. In addition, Google Maps and other online navigational sites have already started calling the road Richmond Highway.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: arlington; dixie; jeffersondavis; purge; va; virginia
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To: WashingtonFire

What “tyrannical overreach”?


61 posted on 05/15/2019 4:04:17 PM PDT by rockrr ( Everything is different now...)
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To: bigdaddy45
The South’s aims were not noble.

The South's aims were independence and self determination, same as the Founders. If the South's aims weren't noble, than neither were the aims of the Founders.

They wanted to continue the institution of slavery...

Which would have continued had they remained in the Union. Staying in the Union meant permanent slavery. You are trying to pretend slavery and Union were somehow separate, when in fact they were completely intertwined. The South stays in the Union, so does slavery! How do you deal with that sort of cognitive dissonance?

and yes, that is really what the Civil War was about

And no, that's just what the "winners" have been repeating as propaganda ever since the war began. You can't make a serious claim that the war was about something that was going to continue indefinitely without secession, and was going to be greatly strengthened by Lincoln's efforts to get the Corwin Amendment passed.

People have been taught bullsh*t history, and just don't know any better then to repeat it.

62 posted on 05/15/2019 4:12:24 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

Sorry, but you are wrong. Slavery was the stated reason for secession by multiple states To whit:

Georgia Secession Declaration (first Paragraph): “The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery.”

Mississippi Secession Declaration (second sentence): Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery— the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth.

South Carolina Secession Declaration: The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution.

I could go on, but it would be pointless. You can rail all you want about the South wanting to have independence and self determination, but the primary reason for that desire was so that they could continue to hold African slaves.


63 posted on 05/15/2019 4:24:50 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: bigdaddy45
Sorry, but you are wrong.

Not letting you off the hook here. Tell me how slavery gets abolished if the Southern states remain in the Union.

*YOU* explain how the Union would abolish slavery if the Southern states remained in it.

You are just regurgitating the crap you've heard all your life. Now i'm asking you to weigh the evidence.

How does the 35 states of the Union get rid of slavery in 1861?

64 posted on 05/15/2019 4:43:48 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: EdnaMode

Gee, Richmond was the capital of the Confederacy. Makes no sense.

Oh, wait, “sense”. My mistake.


65 posted on 05/15/2019 4:50:08 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought
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To: DiogenesLamp

You made very clear your position that slavery was not the primary cause of the civil war. I provided historical documentation refuting that position. The mechanics of how Slavery would or would not have been abolished absent a war is irrelevant.


66 posted on 05/15/2019 4:53:16 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: EdnaMode

What will make it stop?


67 posted on 05/15/2019 4:53:50 PM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: bigdaddy45
You made very clear your position that slavery was not the primary cause of the civil war.

That's because it isn't, and if you would just explain to me how it was going to go anywhere, you would understand that it isn't.

I provided historical documentation refuting that position.

You did not. You posted some of the four and only four states that mentioned it as a reason. The other 7 states did not claim slavery as a reason. History revisionists have made it a habit to cite those 4 as speaking for all 11 states of the Confederacy.

You want to refute my point that slavery was not the reason the North invaded the South? Explain how slavery would have disappeared from the Union in the 1860s. Or the 1870s. Or the 1890s.

In fact, just tell me when you think slavery would have disappeared from the United States of America if the Southern states had remained in the Union.

The mechanics of how Slavery would or would not have been abolished absent a war is irrelevant.

It is the core of the issue! You say the Southern states needed to be defeated because they supported slavery, so let's put the exact same shoe on the Union foot! How would the Union abolish slavery if the Southern states had stayed in the Union?

You are in favor of the Union are you not? Lincoln's goal was to "preserve the Union". I'm just asking you to speak honestly about how slavery was going anywhere with the Union preserved?

You want to believe two mutually exclusive things.

68 posted on 05/15/2019 5:14:06 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

Really sticking with this narrative, aren’t you. Well I’ll give you credit for sticking to your principles.

So why did only 4 of the states claim slavery as cause for secession? Very simple. First off, lets give credit to the ones that did. They stated it boldly and unequivocally. There was ZERO doubt why they were leaving. The reason they were seceeding was slavery. So why were the other 7 states silent on the issue? A very simple reason in my humble opinion. The men who wrote those states’ secession documents felt shame. They knew slavery was the reason. But its hard to look yourself in the mirror and admit to your wife and church leaders that you want to leave the union for the purpose of keeping other human beings in bondage. So they cloaked their reasoning in all sorts of flowery language about “liberty” and “freedom”. But everyone knew the main reason. Its a bit like getting caught banging your secretary, and then resigning your job to “spend more time with your family.” Yeah, we know why you really left.

I’m as tired of this topic as you are, so I’ll get back to the original reason for the thread. Jefferson Davis was a lousy leader for a misguided and failed cause. The only reason he had a road named after him in the first place was because of a bunch of bitter enders who had difficulty accepting the fact that the South had lost the war, and wanted to stick it to the North by making a road named after the President of the CSA the first one you got on when you left Washington DC. So if they changed their mind and want to rename it now, I for one won’t lose any sleep over it.


69 posted on 05/15/2019 6:01:36 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: central_va

My dream is to see one of those app-presidents placemats with a blank space for 2009-2016


70 posted on 05/15/2019 6:41:29 PM PDT by cyclotic
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To: bigdaddy45
So why did only 4 of the states claim slavery as cause for secession?

Who cares? Why did the Union offer unlimited slavery in an effort to keep them? (It didn't work.)

I’m as tired of this topic as you are, so I’ll get back to the original reason for the thread.

I'm not tired of this topic at all. In fact I argue it every single day, and have for the last three years, when I was finally awakened to the fact that I had been lied to all my life about the Civil War. I used to believe the same thing that most people believe, and then I kept discovering things that didn't make sense, and I finally realized the only explanation that *DOES* make sense is the war was fought over power and money.

You think it was fought over slavery, but you absolutely won't explain how slavery would disappear if the South never left.

You see, you can't *make* the war be about slavery without swallowing some real whoppers! If the South stayed in the Union slavery would have been effectively permanent.

So you're mad at the South for leaving, and your mad at the South for having slavery, and you refuse to even grasp the fact that if the South had stayed, this would preserve slavery in the Union!

71 posted on 05/15/2019 7:12:48 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no o<ither sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

The war was fought over power and money?? THAT was your big revelation?? All wars are fought over power and money. Welcome to the real world.


72 posted on 05/15/2019 9:52:36 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: central_va

As if they don’t have ideas already...*if* they’re smart enough to even know who he is.

/Mosby groupie


73 posted on 05/15/2019 10:23:03 PM PDT by Salamander (Death makes angels of us all, and give us wings where we once had shoulders, smooth as ravens' claws)
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To: bigdaddy45
The war was fought over power and money?? THAT was your big revelation?? All wars are fought over power and money. Welcome to the real world.

So you've given up the idea that the war was fought over slavery? Good. We have made progress.

The War was fought because the South going independent was going to shift 230 million dollars per year from the New York/Washington DC economy, to the New Orleans, Mobile, Charleston, etc economy, and the men of economic power in the North would not stand for this!

Furthermore, the losses to them would be even greater than just that 230 million per year. If you are interested in knowing about it, i'll point out how they would have lost far more money than that from the Southern states becoming independent.

74 posted on 05/16/2019 9:03:27 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no o<ither sovereignty.")
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To: Salamander

I went to Jefferson Davis Jr Hi...


75 posted on 05/17/2019 2:51:03 PM PDT by null and void (The press is always lying. When they aren't actively lying, they are actively concealing the truth.)
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To: null and void
You racist !!!!
76 posted on 05/17/2019 10:12:08 PM PDT by Salamander (Death makes angels of us all, and give us wings where we once had shoulders, smooth as ravens' claws)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Stop making sense.

It triggers people.


77 posted on 05/17/2019 10:13:18 PM PDT by Salamander (Death makes angels of us all, and give us wings where we once had shoulders, smooth as ravens' claws)
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To: Salamander

Good thing we moved, else I would have gone to Nathan B. Forrest High School...


78 posted on 05/17/2019 10:56:02 PM PDT by null and void (The press is always lying. When they aren't actively lying, they are actively concealing the truth.)
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To: null and void

OMG.

Lynch worthy, that.


79 posted on 05/18/2019 1:45:52 AM PDT by Salamander (Death makes angels of us all, and give us wings where we once had shoulders, smooth as ravens' claws)
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To: Salamander
Stop making sense. It triggers people.

People do not like their dearly held beliefs challenged, especially the ones that make them believe they are the "good guys" . I've seen the most amazing examples of cognitive dissonance while arguing this topic for the last several years. People want to believe things that are contradictory in order to preserve their image of their heroes as the "good guys."

80 posted on 05/20/2019 6:14:55 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no o<ither sovereignty.")
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