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To: bigdaddy45
You made very clear your position that slavery was not the primary cause of the civil war.

That's because it isn't, and if you would just explain to me how it was going to go anywhere, you would understand that it isn't.

I provided historical documentation refuting that position.

You did not. You posted some of the four and only four states that mentioned it as a reason. The other 7 states did not claim slavery as a reason. History revisionists have made it a habit to cite those 4 as speaking for all 11 states of the Confederacy.

You want to refute my point that slavery was not the reason the North invaded the South? Explain how slavery would have disappeared from the Union in the 1860s. Or the 1870s. Or the 1890s.

In fact, just tell me when you think slavery would have disappeared from the United States of America if the Southern states had remained in the Union.

The mechanics of how Slavery would or would not have been abolished absent a war is irrelevant.

It is the core of the issue! You say the Southern states needed to be defeated because they supported slavery, so let's put the exact same shoe on the Union foot! How would the Union abolish slavery if the Southern states had stayed in the Union?

You are in favor of the Union are you not? Lincoln's goal was to "preserve the Union". I'm just asking you to speak honestly about how slavery was going anywhere with the Union preserved?

You want to believe two mutually exclusive things.

68 posted on 05/15/2019 5:14:06 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

Really sticking with this narrative, aren’t you. Well I’ll give you credit for sticking to your principles.

So why did only 4 of the states claim slavery as cause for secession? Very simple. First off, lets give credit to the ones that did. They stated it boldly and unequivocally. There was ZERO doubt why they were leaving. The reason they were seceeding was slavery. So why were the other 7 states silent on the issue? A very simple reason in my humble opinion. The men who wrote those states’ secession documents felt shame. They knew slavery was the reason. But its hard to look yourself in the mirror and admit to your wife and church leaders that you want to leave the union for the purpose of keeping other human beings in bondage. So they cloaked their reasoning in all sorts of flowery language about “liberty” and “freedom”. But everyone knew the main reason. Its a bit like getting caught banging your secretary, and then resigning your job to “spend more time with your family.” Yeah, we know why you really left.

I’m as tired of this topic as you are, so I’ll get back to the original reason for the thread. Jefferson Davis was a lousy leader for a misguided and failed cause. The only reason he had a road named after him in the first place was because of a bunch of bitter enders who had difficulty accepting the fact that the South had lost the war, and wanted to stick it to the North by making a road named after the President of the CSA the first one you got on when you left Washington DC. So if they changed their mind and want to rename it now, I for one won’t lose any sleep over it.


69 posted on 05/15/2019 6:01:36 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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