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Using Brexit to make the case for Scottish independence
BBC ^ | 28 March 2019 | Sarah Smith

Posted on 03/28/2019 8:38:10 AM PDT by Cronos

The Scottish parliament has just voted to stop the Brexit process by revoking article 50 unless there is an extension to allow for a second referendum on Brexit

"So what?," you might say. They can't legally force the UK government to do anything.

But there is something else deeply significant happening here. Read between the lines and you can see the case being made for another referendum on Scottish independence. as well as for another Brexit vote.

Today's vote was proposed by the Scottish Greens. The SNP added their own amendment which "calls on the UK government to stop ignoring the views of this parliament and overwhelming majority of people in Scotland who wish to remain in EU".

In that sentence you can see how they hope to build support for independence on the back of Brexit. By telling Scottish voters they are being ignored by a government in London which does not respect their opinion or their elected representatives.

..As the Europe and External Affairs secretary Fiona Hyslop said in the Holyrood chamber today: "A second referendum is an opportunity and not a guarantee for the wishes of Scotland to be respected.

"It is only by becoming an independent country that we can guarantee the votes of people in Scotland will not be ignored."

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: brexit; europeanunion; fionahyslop; globalwarminghoax; greennewdeal; greenparty; nato; nicolasturgeon; putinsbuttboys; scotland; scotlandyet; snp; theresamay; unitedkingdom
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To: fruser1

Ireland is discussing northern Ireland reuniting with it in the EU


21 posted on 03/28/2019 11:55:53 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Lurker
Let them go. The Scots can fend for themselves.

As proud as they are, I doubt that very much.

Scotland hasn't been a serious economic engine for a very long time, if ever. For the most part, they're dependent upon government largess from the rest of the UK for their survival.

Now, if they can capture the North Sea oil fields as part of their national territory, it might work. That is, unless the Socialists controlling Edinburgh don't nationalize them, ala Hugo Chavez.

22 posted on 03/28/2019 1:45:53 PM PDT by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: fruser1

The Brits can make for the loss by picking up Ireland, which is actually discussing reuniting with NI into the commonwealth to avoid a hard border.


I can’t imagine Ireland allowing themselves to be ‘picked up’ by England. These are strange times.


23 posted on 03/28/2019 3:14:26 PM PDT by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: Cronos

Correct. They want to do commonwealth, like Canada and Australia. Right now NI is like Scotland and Wales. “Picking up” not a good way of describing it I guess.


24 posted on 03/28/2019 3:33:33 PM PDT by fruser1
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To: sparklite2

Just part of Commonwealth, like Canada, Australia.


25 posted on 03/28/2019 3:34:14 PM PDT by fruser1
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To: pepsi_junkie
Not so much protection. Commonwealth membership is like Canada and Australia.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/paul-gosling-if-the-dublin-government-wants-to-indulge-in-the-rhetoric-of-a-new-ireland-then-it-needs-to-consider-joining-the-commonwealth-37946072.html

26 posted on 03/28/2019 3:34:27 PM PDT by fruser1
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To: fruser1

Err.. the commonwealth has no trade benefits and little other benefits besides the commonwealth games. Ireland would like to reunite with Northern Ireland in the EU.


27 posted on 03/29/2019 12:13:27 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: fruser1; pepsi_junkie; sparklite2
fruser1 -- that was a proposal by one DUP MP. The Republic of ireland doesn't want to join the commonwealth.

Do you have any idea (or does the DUP guy have any idea) what the commonwealth does today? It does literally nothing except act as a talking shop and to prepare for the commonwealth games.

No trade pacts, nothing.

Ireland joining the commonwealth only gives more room to spend money on talking.

28 posted on 03/29/2019 12:18:59 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Cronos

Right, the commonwealth has no legal obligations.

I find it interesting that the idea is even considered given the history.

Note my opening comment here was merely that England would pick up Ireland, sort of like a consolation prize, for losing Scotland. Just a smart ass remark.


29 posted on 03/29/2019 2:39:40 AM PDT by fruser1
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To: fruser1

Ireland’s more like a booby prize.


30 posted on 03/29/2019 3:33:30 AM PDT by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds.)
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To: fruser1

Ah, I thought you were being serious :) The Oirish have no intention of going under the English thumb again - especially now when the GDP per capita in Ireland is more than in the UK


31 posted on 03/29/2019 4:59:52 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Cronos

You assume that the pro-European no-voters will suddenly abandon the UK in preference for the EU, this is for the most part, not the case. The Scottish independence campaign lost on the back of losing the economic argument. Given that Scotland does well over 60% of its ‘external’ trade with the rUK and about 20% with the rEU the economic argument is non-existant. Scotland leaving the UK ‘common market’ to join the EU one is an absurd case to make and no self-respecting economist would propose it. In addition, a third of SNP members voted ‘leave’ because they believe in sovereignty on principle, and don’t want to leave one union simply to join the other and still not have sovereignty. Many I have spoken to have said they would boycott a Scottish independence campaign if it was a choice between joining the EU or remaining in the UK because neither would achieve Scottish independence. Others have even said they prefer staying in the UK to remaining in the EU.


32 posted on 03/29/2019 10:28:14 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: Windflier

Scottish governments own GERS figures still report that even with oil, Scotland is a net receipient of UK public spending. The oil argument is bunk, especially in a volatile oil market.


33 posted on 03/29/2019 10:30:21 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

And yet polls show a slight lead for independence from the UK now. Sturgeon is waiting her chance


34 posted on 03/29/2019 10:37:12 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Cronos

We’ll see what happens when they’re forced to make the economic case during the inevitable debates, especially if involves leaving the British ‘common market’.


35 posted on 03/29/2019 1:27:41 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

True. Their argument will be that they are replacing it with the larger EU common market.

It all depends on the state of the UK economy from April onwards


36 posted on 03/29/2019 9:57:33 PM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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