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How Dumb Do Democrats Have to Be With Their Medicare For All Plan? Pretty Dumb.
Townhall.com ^ | March 22, 2019 | Rebecca Downs

Posted on 03/22/2019 2:43:46 AM PDT by Kaslin

If you have concerns with ObamaCare and Democrats’ obsession with abortion and free contraception, just wait until 2020 comes around. If a Democrat gets elected, we could be living under Medicare For All.

Their Medicare For All plan may be the Democrats’ biggest folly. For me, it’s not merely the sticker shock, though even Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi has acknowledged concerns with how we are going to pay for such a system, as explained by Townhall’s Guy Benson. It’s because the Democrats alienate their would-be biggest supporters of a universal healthcare plan.

As a compassionate conservative and a Roman Catholic, universal basic healthcare is something I can get behind. However, I know that health care does not include abortion. Health care does also not require others to pay for a woman’s birth control if that person morally or religiously objects to some or all forms of contraception. It does not require forcing medical professionals to take part in abortions. Except Democrats think it does.

For those who think this is anything new from the Democrats, they haven’t been paying attention.

Recall the eleventh-hour executive promise made by President Barack Obama in order to earn a vote for Obamacare from Rep. Bart Stupak, a pro-life Democrat of Michigan who has since been voted out of office.

Despite Obama’s promise that insurance health plans would not pay for elective abortions, a GAO study confirmed that elective abortions were, in fact, being covered.

There was also the Health & Human Services mandate which required employers to provide, free of charge, every single form of FDA contraception and sterilization, to employees. The so-called compromise was hardly one at all, as organizations could only be exempt if they exclusively hired employees who were of the same religion.

Ultimately, the U.S. Supreme Court in a 2014 5-4 vote in Burwell v. Hobby Lobby found in favor of Hobby Lobby to not have to provide forms of contraception they were religiously opposed to. Yet it is still absurd that citizens, simply because they own a business and operate in the marketplace, would have to choose between suing their government and facing crippling fines for living out the practice of their beliefs.

The Trump administration has also granted exemptions to organizations which have sincerely held moral or religious beliefs to covering contraception. It’s a welcome reprieve, but one which should not have been needed at all if the Democratic Party wasn’t so obsessed with free contraception.

Under the new Medicare For All plan, as explained by Wesley J. Smith for National Review, medical professionals could be forced to participate in abortions.

The Trump administration has also granted exemptions to organizations which have sincerely held moral or religious beliefs to covering contraception. It’s a welcome reprieve, but one which should not have been needed at all if the Democratic Party wasn’t so obsessed with free contraception.

Under the new Medicare For All plan, as explained by Wesley J. Smith for National Review, medical professionals could be forced to participate in abortions. Abortions which would be free

As relaxed as the United States is on abortion compared to the rest of the world, taxpayers are still mostly protected from having to fund abortions (except for pregnancy from rape or incest or to save the life of the mother) because of the Hyde Amendment, a rider which has passed since 1976 with bipartisan support

They may not have won the presidency, but the Democratically-controlled U.S.House of Representatives is wasting no time on its crusade to get rid of the Hyde Amendment. Rep. Barbara Lee of California introduced the EACH Woman Act earlier this month.

Do you like being on an employer’s insurance plan? Do you not want to have to pay for people’s Medicare insurance plans they don’t even want? No, you don’t? Well, that’s too bad. Democrats such as Senator Kamala Harris of California have indicated support for abolishing private health insurance

Medicare For All could be a popular idea for Americans. Democrats have destroyed the chance of getting wide support however when they tie their support for healthcare to abortion and free contraception. It will be their folly in 2020 if enough Americans know the truth about just what Medicare For All would look like.


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1 posted on 03/22/2019 2:43:46 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Oh. So this “conservatives” only problem with Medicaid for All is abortion and pills?

With friends like this....


2 posted on 03/22/2019 3:39:49 AM PDT by Kozak (DIVERSITY+PROXIMITY=CONFLICT)
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To: Kaslin

Who’s gonna be the first Rat candidate to go to The Villages and tell them their SS money will be diluted in order to support non-Americans?


3 posted on 03/22/2019 4:10:40 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Jeremiah 1:5 - "Before I formed thee ... I knew thee.")
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To: Kaslin

The bigger picture, they are not stupid they are devious. They are making empty promises. A modern day pied piper. They will use our money to pay for it when that runs out the will nationalize corporations and businesses until they are not profitable and when they destroy the economic base we become Venezuela. They taught their minions well but never told them the end game.


4 posted on 03/22/2019 4:12:52 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (nic dip.com)
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To: Kaslin

They don’t care. How does that go again? “ The issue is never the issue, it’s always about the agenda”. The agenda is socialism (communism really but they call it socialism). The final plank in the platform of communism is control of healthcare.


5 posted on 03/22/2019 4:13:13 AM PDT by VTenigma (The Democrat party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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To: ronnie raygun

They are not only devious. They are evil


6 posted on 03/22/2019 4:17:05 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Rats don’t care how dumb they appear. As long as they obtain POWER.


7 posted on 03/22/2019 4:19:40 AM PDT by duckman ( Not tired of winning!)
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To: Kaslin

I’m sorry, but in my mind this is the single issue that could sink the Republicans. The sheeple want government healthcare, the numbers are growing and the GOP had better develop a “good” plan or they will be going down. Listen to the opposition and find a counter argument or lose. I see this desire at work and I am in healthcare where they should know better.


8 posted on 03/22/2019 4:21:53 AM PDT by mistfree (It's a very uncreative man who can't think of more than one way to spell a word.)
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To: Kaslin
The Trump administration has also granted exemptions to organizations which have sincerely held moral or religious beliefs to covering contraception.

I am glad to see a person can have their MORAL beliefs respected and they don't have to be religious-based.

9 posted on 03/22/2019 4:28:18 AM PDT by Go Gordon (I gave my dog Grady a last name - Trump - because he loves tweets.)
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To: MayflowerMadam

Warren has already proposed this.


10 posted on 03/22/2019 4:36:42 AM PDT by DownInFlames (Galsd)
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To: Kaslin

Well, we better figure out how to pay for it, because I am not willing to live in a society where anyone is denied basic life saving medical treatment. There are lots of hapless parents with needy crying children. There are lots of disabled and mentally ill people that need treatment and aren’t holding jobs to pay for it. Ted Kennedy caused this mess by linking insurance to employment. Before that, doctors and hospitals didn’t live large and didn’t charge an arm and a leg for an aspirin. So fix it.


11 posted on 03/22/2019 4:48:50 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Kaslin
even Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi has acknowledged concerns with how we are going to pay for such a system

Odd. She never expressed such concern with Obamacare.

12 posted on 03/22/2019 5:09:35 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: Kaslin

They know “Medicare For All” will bankrupt the country in short order.

That’s why they’re for it.


13 posted on 03/22/2019 5:23:23 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DownInFlames

I know she has, but has she faced a crowd of 100% retirees and spewed that nonsense?


14 posted on 03/22/2019 5:25:52 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Jeremiah 1:5 - "Before I formed thee ... I knew thee.")
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To: Kaslin
It's a mistake to dismiss RAT's socialism as "dumb." Somebody who is dumb can be educated.

The Democrat/socialism is a global plot that's been going on ever since the Cold War and was a tenet of communism's goals for America.

But Americans are myopic. If they haven't seen the issue discussed on the Movie of the Week, they're ignorant. Worse, they're disinterested.

15 posted on 03/22/2019 5:35:13 AM PDT by LouAvul (Socialism is the logical conclusion of liberalism. Anarchy is the logical conclusion of socialism.)
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To: Kaslin

The problem with her analysis is that even though most Americans will tell pollsters that abortion is an important issue to them, typically they don’t vote that way.

How else do you explain millions of Catholic voters repeatedly pulling the lever for Democrat politicians who have never met an abortion they wouldn’t vote for?

Because some personal (generally economic) interest is vested in the Democrats winning and trumps all other issues with them.

Medicare for All is gonna happen because sooner or later a majority is just going to grow disgusted and say “Feh!” to the current system. Look at the scrum happening right now between Highmark and UPMC here in PA if you want a preview.


16 posted on 03/22/2019 5:53:57 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: MayflowerMadam
Who’s gonna be the first Rat candidate to go to The Villages and tell them their SS money will be diluted in order to support non-Americans?

If it's Joe Biden he'll never get off the golf course.


17 posted on 03/22/2019 5:54:47 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Kaslin
They don't care. The youngsters and Economists who are gaining favor believe in Modern Monetary Theory. Replace money completely with digitalized transfers, don't worry about debt. We're pretty close to that already. For many in the under-40 (or so) age group, they're already there.

My thoughts....it could work for awhile. But every tangent meets its asymptote.

18 posted on 03/22/2019 5:59:54 AM PDT by grania ("We're all just pawns in their game")
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To: rjsimmon

Remember when she said (paragraphing) ‘We have to vote for it, to see what’s in it’?


19 posted on 03/22/2019 6:08:23 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

If a woman bleeds to death during an a forced abortion, is it murder?


20 posted on 03/22/2019 6:14:47 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. N.P. N.C. +12) Honduras must be invaded to protect America from invasion)
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