Posted on 03/07/2019 9:04:59 AM PST by RideForever
Political scientists predicted in court testimony that California would lose billions in federal funds plus at least one and possibly as many as three seats in the House — and the same number of electoral votes — if the citizenship question were to be used next year.
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The only way they are taxed is if they steal someone’s social security number (a.k.a. taxpayer ID). And then they do pay payroll taxes. Otherwise they have no legal right to even hold a job in the US and thus cannot earn or pay taxes. Sales taxes don’t count because they are local and state.
“OK. Provide the context that says illegals shouldn’t be included in the census count”
OK. Provide the context that says anyone around the world who wants to be a virtual U.S. citizen shouldn’t be included in the census count. /s
They’re here illegally, you obamabot. They’re not U.S. citizens. They don’t get representation.
Zot this goron. And doodledawg, too.
They don't have income taxes withheld?
If they get caught working without paying taxes they don't get prosecuted?
If you consider them taxpayers in good standing, that's fine. It's the same argument that democrats make. I don't see it that way. They are leaches that sometimes pay taxes as part of their crimes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Seeborg
He’s a foreign-born Kraut who was appointed by Obola. Anyone surprised at the ruling?
It doesn't really matter what I consider them. They're taxpayers under the law.
Although I don’t believe it will happen, I find the thought of California losing billions in federal funds almost orgasmic.
Yes. I am worried. The vote harvesting thing, the coalition of states vowing to give their electoral votes to whoever wins the popular vote, the push for illegals to vote, the effort to reduce the voting age, the effort to give felons the vote, and let us not forget outright voter fraud.
Yep...it is a full court press by the Left.
Illegals do not file taxes and are not subject to the jurisdiction of the US unless they have committed a crime, then they can be tried under US law. They are subjected to deportation, not to US jurisdiction.
Asking a question of US citizenship will be upheld in higher courts because the 14th superseded the original Art.1 Sec.2 referral to ‘free’ persons and 3/5s of slaves.
Aliens are aliens, they are not covered by the US Constitution. They are not enumerated, just as family members of diplomats are not enumerated. They have no status under the law.
Aliens are not considered in legal meaning to be ‘persons’. In human sense, they are people, but they are not ‘persons’ under US law. Corporations are ‘persons’; aliens are at most foreign corporations.
The census takers are tasked to enumerate persons subject to US law, to legal jurisdiction except for aliens charged with crimes who are in detention.
Census takers must ask questions to prequalify the person to be counted:
1. Are you a US citizen?
Yes, continue.
No, ascertain status:
Are you the head of the household?
Are you a permanent resident?
Are you a US visa holder? (all types)
No to any of above, ask the following:
2. Have you filed your federal income taxes?
Yes, continue.
No, ask the following:
3. Do you receive any form of Social Security benefits?
And so on.
Case law supports exclusion of aliens from enumeration. A census taker is tasked to ascertain whether or not there is a legal basis for enumeration. There must be questions to determine this.
The problem is there are ‘coaches’ who tell illegal aliens what to say to a census taker. There are also embellishments such as for example claiming 15 members in the household rather than a real figure of 6. I have witnessed the latter. Illegals are coached to inflate their numbers to achieve more representative members. The ‘coaches’ know the loopholes.
If there are three entire House districts full of illegals, isn't that proof enough that we *should* be asking?
It is the flaw in the system that the democrats have exploited.
Ever person in a state counts for representation. So the more illegals you can pull into your state, the more votes you get in congress.
And since the illegals can’t vote, it is like having your own extra votes, as each of your citizens gets more say in government because of the illegals that got counted.
Now, asking people if they are illegal does not change this in any way, the argument is that by asking the question, you will scare people into not answering the census. i don’t see how that can be a concern of the courts.
This statement, along with your entertaining description of how you imagine the census is conducted, is spectacularly wrong.
The Constitution calls for an “actual enumeration” of the “whole number of persons” in the country. This is so clear and universally accepted to include aliens that it isn’t even controversial.
There’s been legislation proposed to change this but it hasn’t gone anywhere.
In fact, some think that the only reason the administration wants the question included is to dampen participation by illegals. If they were already excluded that fear would be moot.
[it is in the Constitution since 1780’s. Every Census since 1790.]
Since when do non-citizens enjoy rights from the Constitution? And does the judge have no problem with arbitrary questions like on race?
Could Trump just throw the whole baby out with the bathwater and eliminate the Census altogether?
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Until the Supreme Court takes opportunity to say not to count illegals, that is how it will continue.
to support your answer
FOREIGN CITIZENS IN THE U.S.
Citizens of foreign countries living in the U.S. - Counted at the U.S. residence where they live and sleep most of the time.
Citizens of foreign countries living in the U.S. who are members of the diplomatic community - Counted at the embassy, consulate, United Nations’ facility, or other residences where diplomats live.
Citizens of foreign countries visiting the U.S., such as on a vacation or business trip - Not counted in the census.
https://www.census.gov/population/www/cen2010/resid_rules/resid_rules.html#FOURTEEN
Case law rules that the whole number of persons are those subject to US jurisdiction. You don’t count diplomats, tourists, and people who should not be here. This is not a new subject. It’s been through the courts for a large part of the nation’s history.
What you are doing is a selection bias of reading without regard to context, meaning, intent. That’s what leftist lawyers and judges try to do and they get shot down every time. This will be reversed on appeal.
The question of citizenship has been asked on every census since 1965 except for 2010 when it was removed. Guess who was in charge of the census in 2010? Rahm.
The Constitution and the 14th were never written to mean nor never intended to count millions of aliens that should not be here period. The courts have agreed.
What this judge is doing is trying to run out the clock. It won’t work.
I lived in England for several years as a legal resident. I did not have the right to vote and I did not. I did vote in USA elections via absentee ballot.
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