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yardestrk: to 867V309: "Shut up.
It is stupid for you to tell bedford he is part of the “dumbocrats”.
That couldn’t be further from the truth. "

Well... first let's acknowledge the original Nathan Bedford Forrest was a lifelong Democrat, and never apologized for that.
So our poster here honors Democrats in his screen name.

Second, it's a simple fact that Conservative and Libertarian values overlap in many places, but drug law enforcement may not be one of those.
Libertarians like Nathanbedford make a reasoned case that as a matter of morals and effectiveness, anti-drug laws are upside-down and counterproductive.

By contrast, Conservatives believe that anything we can do to protect & defend our fellow citizens against the scourge of illegal drugs is a good thing.
We mourn any definitely-known corruption and ineffectiveness of law enforcement, but the alternatives of wide open access to the most addictive drugs seems like a form of national suicide, and therefore unacceptable.

Of course, for men like Nathan Bedford Forrest, who fought for years to destroy the United States, national suicide may be an acceptable alternative.

But not so much for those who wish to put Americans first and make America great again.

yardestrk: " He is right that the drug runners have won.
Most of the country is on some kind of drugs.
Further he is right about the eternal corruption of those in power.
If that makes you uncomfortable, too damn bad.
Deal with it.
Don’t start calling names.
Sign of idiocy."

Sure, if you sincerely wish to destroy the United States, then I can't think of a better way than completely open borders and unrestricted drug addition.

But if you love your country, if you want to put it first & make it great, then open borders & unrestricted drugs are not the way to go, FRiends.

Most, shall we say “recreational” users....some coke and pot on week-ends or the newer heroin/fentanyl users who got into it because their pain pills got shut off, folks who otherwise seem to function “normally” most of the time would often call themselves compassionate, go along and get along sort of people. They view themselves as folks who never would hurt a fly. Then you remind them of the blood they have their on their hands. Why? They might ask...

By using the drugs, they are ultimately bank rolling the pushers and the supplying cartels who have murdered and maimed untold thousands in their quest to supply drug addled Americans with their fixes. Part of the money they pay to snort their coke or to inject their heroin may have also involved the loss of a journalist’s life or left a cop dead and a family without their father and provider.

And that is why we must fight the drug wars. But we must clarify the terms. As soon as politicians start being painted with the Pelosi style “immorality” of the blood of innocents slaughtered in the drug wars because they won’t go along with border controls, only then might you see movement. Illicit drug users need to be shamed as well as offered help to get off the drugs, but they need to understand the blood on their hands as well.

We might need to live with folks, especially older folks being given extra opiates legitimately prescribed for pain. The schizoidal policies we have right now politically in dealing with pain may cause political disruptions eventually. Many live with intractable permanent pain but denying good treatments for pain out of fear that some will abuse them and overdose on them is not a good solution and may end becoming a political blowback on the politicians pushing these policies.

We do have a national drug problem; we need to clean our addicts up rather than to allow the murder of folks by money grubbing cartels(and perhaps by our swamp state rogue agencies) south of the border to continue to pour the blood of these murdered victims on our national character!

So our poster here honors Democrats in his screen name.

If you have a couple of moments I invite you to have a look at my ABOUT PAGE in the hope that that might ease your mind concerning the use of the name and avatar.

Libertarians like Nathanbedford…

I have always characterized myself as a conservative with a pesky libertarian streak.

the alternatives of wide open access to the most addictive drugs seems like a form of national suicide, and therefore unacceptable.

It seems to me that we are certainly in the throes of wide open access to the most addictive drugs. As suicidal as a national drug problem might be (think about alcoholism in Russia) it seems that we are risking tyranny, accepting corruption, undermining respect for the rule of law, squandering our treasury. But we are still committing national suicide because we are demonstrably unable to shut open access to the most addictive drugs. You're getting the worst of both worlds.

open borders

Who in the world around here is advocating for open borders?

anything we can do to protect & defend our fellow citizens against the scourge of illegal drugs is a good thing.

Clearly your idea of "anything" is a total failure.

Should we keep doing the same thing and hope it turns out differently, or would you have a death state for what ever infractions they deem appropriate? That kinda only leaves one choice.

Revoke the govts authority to regulate drugs! If you are sick, injured, in pain, etc, you should be allowed to purchase what ever drugs you need, without a govt sanctioned permission slip! If you don't know what drugs you need consult a doctor.

Do you not see the monopoly they have set up? It is not constitutional by any means. We functioned as a nation for over a hundred years without a nanny state dictating our health care choices. True there were snake oil salesmen then, and things haven't changed except the state now takes a cut from them, and in the case of Monsanto it outright owns the govt sanctioning agency.

PS Some of the most patriotic patriots have been Democrats! Just because their party is currently outright and open communist doesn't mean everyone in the past was!

The current Rethuglicans are even worse! We can withstand an enemy at the gates, but spies and traitors within will be our downfall