Posted on 02/16/2019 8:29:17 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
THE leader of the Yellow Vest movement that has wreaked havoc across Europe with violent protests that triggered the collapse of the French economy has declared he has “militiamen ready to bring down the government” following a shock meeting with the Italian coalition.
Cristophe Chalencon, one of the leaders of the Yellow Vest revolution, said France is “on the brink of cvil war” before he vowed to fight French President Emmanuel Macron over Paris austerity. In a gathering in Italy with anti-establishment party 5-Star Movement leader Luigi Di Maio and his right-hand man Alessandro Di Battista, the Frenchman raged: “We have people, militiamen, ready to intervene because they also want to bring down the government. Today everything is calm, but we are on the brink of a civil war. “I know that I risk a lot. I can get shot in the head at any moment. But I don’t care. I defend my convictions. “Because if I got shot in the head, the people - Macron would end up on the guillotine.
“We have reached such a level of confrontation today that Macron would also fall if I fall. The people would break into the Elysée and destroy everything, him, his wife and all the group.”
When pressed for more details on his military, Mr Chalencon added: “Yes, militiamen. People who have withdrawn from the army and who are against the government.
“Of course I know. It's disturbing. It is disturbing but you do not realise it. Macron is afraid. This is why I tell you that he is afraid.”
(Excerpt) Read more at express.co.uk ...
Yellow vests meet red hats! come on people!
It would be great to see the French repeat what they did in the 1790s. Their political class has earned such a result.
JoMa
A google search found there are estimated 20 million guns in France. I bet there are many French politicians who wish they had done a better job at gun control and confiscation.
And many politicians in the US who are paying attention and determined not to make the same mistakes. They distract us with focus on “mass killings”. But their concern is exactly the reason the 2nd was written. Useful idiots like AOC have no clue and really think gun restrictions will help the average citizen. Higher-ups like Pelosi understand history and what it will take to implement their policies. France may be adding to that history even if guns aren’t used in the resolution.
I haven’t read a single article about this phenomenon.
What is it they want?
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I asked this several days ago:
WHAT DO THEY WANT?
Good, I hope it starts a trend.
Their revolution was godless in 1790. Not much good came of it. The people there today do have a right to revolt, but I would not root for a repeat of 1790.
The are anti globalists and anti green tax agenda. That’s all I know.
Do you have any facts to back up that claim? Please post now or stop with the made up fake BS.
Get rid of macron and his leftist government.
I don’t understand where the fake BS comment is coming from. Here are related articles. A quick perusal will back up the claim that the Yellow Vest movement, while widespread, crosses all ideologies and desires. An early article quoted a French official, I think the finance minister, as saying something like; “They want everything. It all conflicts.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_vests_movement
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Background
1.1
General discontentment
1.2
Diesel
1.3
Fuel prices
1.4
Speed limit reduction
1.5
Economic reforms
“They want more economic concessions, such as lower fuel taxes and VAT, a higher minimum wage and higher pensions. But they also demand a new political system, in which the ultimate power would be taken away from President and parliament and given to “the people” through mass popular votes or “referenda d’initiative citoyenne (RIC)”.”
“Are the yellow vests just another manifestation of the extreme right?
In part, yes. But there are also many gilets jaunes who are attracted to the ideas of the hard left. The core of the original movement was anti-ideological and even anti-political. Many ordinary Gilets Jaunes passionately reject racism and anti-semitism.”
“On the other hand, there has been from the beginning a willingness of some Gilets Jaunes to buy into anti-semitic tropes and conspiracy theories as part of their rejection of “big finance” and “globalism””
“The yellow vests want greater income equality in France but is it really achievable?
France already has greater income equality than many other developed countries, notably Britain. The state already spends more of the country’s annual earnings or GDP than any other industrial nation (over 56 per cent). But unemployment and average wage growth have been frozen for two decades or more.”
“Some Gilets Jaunes want a bonfire of taxes. Some want a radical increase in wages, pensions and social benefits. Some want both. Macron’s response - including a 100-euro a month increase in state benefits for the low-paid – has satisfied some yellow vests but not all.”
Good general background article, but not specific to conflicting demands, (Hinted at but not explained.)
https://www.ozy.com/need-to-know/special-briefing-what-do-frances-yellow-vest-protesters-want/90854
https://medium.com/@karlstom/what-do-the-yellow-vests-want-c0515d195e14
“In the initial wake of the unrest, conservatives around the world were quick to claim this as a victory of conservative anti-tax and anti-climate change movements. Nothing could be further from the truth. Early on Saturday, when the “March For the Climate” was scheduled in Paris at the same time as the Yellow Vests’ demonstration, the two groups actually came together, joining in solidarity against climate injustice. Additionally, instead of marching for smaller government and lower taxes, the streets were full of anti-capitalist chants and the list of demands include calls to raise taxes on the wealthy and corporations (English version here).
However, it is not explicitly a left-wing protest either. While the movement hasn’t fully accepted the support of right-wing Marine Le Pen, it hasn’t fully accepted the support of left-wing Jean-Luc Mélenchon either. There are also certain aspects of nationalism that many of the left would most likely not appreciate. The flags being waved are not the red flags being waved in the 1968 protests, but the French flag.
This is, first and foremost, a class movement. The people protesting are predominately working class, and the people that they are protesting are predominately wealthy elites. While there has been a lot of talk in America about how the working class has turned to the conservative Republicans, the working class in France has always been more prone to left-wing economic ideas and forms of protesting. To put this in a clean anti-tax, anti-climate, or anti-government category would be to reduce the scope of what these protests entail. While the immigration crisis of 2015 may have given a right-wing tint on European populism, there is plenty of real economic anxiety stored up, and it is just waiting to come out.”
The Yellow Vest protests have spread to every nation in western Europe -- France, Belgium, Portugal, Italy, UK, and some others. They have even shown up in New Zealand and Taiwan.
They are protesting their globalist communist leadership, their decades of rigged elections, and the genocidal dictates of their corrupt politicians.
This is huge. They are pro-Trump, anti-Deep State.
The protests are massive, just as in Venezuela. Many, many millions filling the streets.
And the MSM will not cover it.
where is it being covered?
Why aren’t we seeing it?
Is our government fearful that we will rise up?
There are many Twitter feeds with pictures and videos.
Why aren’t we seeing it?
You aren't seeing it because only one thread on FR is allowed to discuss what is happening.
Is our government fearful that we will rise up?
Only the Democrats and a few RINOs are fearful here. The Trump team has everything under control here. The Deep State and the Democrats are destroying themselves very well.
Enjoy the show.
Every cop on Earth couldn’t confiscate the firearms in Tampa.
It started out being about gasoline taxes and toll roads and for many people in rural France like Brittany and Normandy it very much is.
They want to petition the National Assembly to force it to pass new laws for referendum.
In some cities the anarchists show up and as Marine Le Pen pointed out in a media interview the other week, the government is enabling this so they can shut down the protests by discrediting them.
“Typical American males would gladly give up there freedom and become slaves just for a beer, a pat on the head, and a piece of a$$!”
Bullshit! You forgot the NFL season pass.
I think America is only a few years behind France. We will have our own civil war when the Demonrats truly take over. And without a wall on the southern border, that will be sooner rather than later.
Macron is dead man walking. I’m surprised he lasted this long.
Based on posts I’ve seen on various gun boards over the years, I suspect there are far more unregistered arms in private hands in France than the authorities could grasp.
Two major wars across French territory in thirty years does leave a lot of “debris” to hide in the attic or barn....along with plenty of motivation to hide it real well in case “they” come again.
I don’t think American conservatoves realize all of what the folks of the “Yellow Vest” movement in France actually want.
Yes, they want lower fuel taxes. They also want lower taxes altogther and yet they also want the government to spend more money, particularly on social benefits.
One of their central complaints is the “austerity” program of Macron, which calls for less social spending to reduce overall government spending. They want the lower taxes, but not necessarily lower government spending.
Here are their demands their representatives delivered to Macron. I had Google translate them from the article obtained at the link here at the bottom. I made comments in parentheses ( ) after some items.
1. Two main propositions:
Reduce all taxes
Creation of a citizens’ assembly (??? - total democracy??)
2. Other proposals, on transport and ecology:
Reduction of the TICPE as well as the carbon tax
Suppression of the bill to ban non-road diesel “red fuel oil” (for farmers)
Prohibition of glyphosate (typical of “Greens” and “organic” farmers).
Cancellation of the biofuel bill on palm oil (shale gas, GMOs) (a bill that mandated increased use of biofuels)
Abandonment of the project to renew the French car fleet in electric and marketing of biofuels.
3. On an institutional reform:
Consultation of the people more frequent, by national referendum but also local (do they not have elected representatives ???)
Suppression of the Senate (more total “democracy”)
Recognize and count the white vote in the various election ballots
(The “white vote is the “I vote for nobody” ballots and the “I abstain” ballots. They are most often are not counted. As elections require a “winner” to get a majority or plurality of the votes cast; yet if the “white votes” were counted, then maybe, sometimes, the “white vote” would have the majority or the plurality, indicating none of the candidates won.)
Promulgation of laws by the citizens themselves
(Which means what? The mob in each village? I say mob, because following the ACTUAL actions of the French revolution, it is the mob in the street that becomes the stand-in for “the citizens themselves”).
4. On employment and business:
Decrease in employer charges.
(I am not sure, but I think this refers to the taxes taken out of wages).
Increased public financial assistance for permanent hiring on fixed-term contracts as well as for apprenticeship contracts:
-More particularly accentuated for the hiring of persons with reduced mobility
-Favoring non-precarious jobs
Increase of the SMIC. Revalorise the calculation of the family quotient accordingly
Help to return to employment or professional reconversion through effective and rewarding training
Respect male / female parity: alignment of the qualification and the position held at equal pay
5. To fight against precariousness:
Increase in pensions
End of special diets
Reassessment of Housing Allowance (APL)
Increased student financial assistance for settlement, mobility and culture
Retirement to the same calculation for all
6. In favor of reducing the public accounts budget:
Significant reduction in the salaries of government members
Abolition of privileges (salaries after term, fictitious jobs, allowances)
Control of expense claims of elected officials
Compulsory physical presence of elected representatives in Assembly
(none of these things will reduce the public accounts budgets significantly as they are not the main drivers of the public accounts)
For education, culture or health
Creating a real POSTBAC
https://www.lejdd.fr/Politique/verbatim-voici-toutes-les-revendications-des-gilets-jaunes-3809783
(I am not sure what they mean by “real”. The POST-BAC is the national exam system all French High school students take as part of the admissions process to college.)
Inclusion of people with disabilities in all areas of society
Access to culture for all (which means what?)
Decrease in assistantship (teaching assistants - they want more teachers)
Deletion of Article 80 (paramedics) (Patients can chose an amulance service they want, at public expense, but article 80 would put that budget under the direction of the hospitals, letting them select the ambulance provider. The Yellow Vests fear that will result in consolidation of the largest least expensive ambulance providers, elimination the smaller providers)
Total proportional restatement of the inheritance tax scale.(Franch inheritance tax is quite complex - the inheritance tax allowance is specific in amount but varies depending on the relationship to the deceased - most to a spouse, less to a child, less again to siblings. less again to nieces, nephwes aunts & uncles, and less again to others. Add that complexity to the rest of the inheritance tax regime, and you can see it takes a French person to understand just what “total proportional restatement” means.)
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