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Yes, Let's Get Real on California High Speed Rail!
Midwest High Speeed Rail Association ^ | 13 February 2019

Posted on 02/14/2019 11:35:52 AM PST by Publius

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To: Publius

“The Central Valley segment is and always has been the foundation .for the whole vision of high-speed rail in California.”

I can find nothing that goes into the daily costs and expected ridership that will justify a high speed rail line from Merced to Bakersfield. It will at most, from all I’ve read, achieve maybe six trains a day each way. Six trains a day cannot pay for such an expensive line, when in very much more populated rail corridors, like New Jersey, local rail transit is a money losing operation.

What is HSR really about? Its about local boosterism (as having a “train stop” has ALWAYS been”, and it’s about the cromyism. lobbying and political corruption at the intsection of the “infrastructure” builders and the politicians. When they are all done, the contractors will have made their billions, the politicians will be out of office, and both classes will be retired leaving the public to complain to the next class of politicians about the bills.


21 posted on 02/14/2019 12:20:20 PM PST by Wuli
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To: Publius

High seep rail, low speed intelligence...


22 posted on 02/14/2019 12:21:47 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: MeganC

Except neither can afford fair price for farmlands.


23 posted on 02/14/2019 12:31:01 PM PST by a fool in paradise (Denounce DUAC - The Democrats Un-American Activists Committee)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Merced to Yosemite Valley is 2-1/2 hours on an Amtrak bus.


24 posted on 02/14/2019 12:34:28 PM PST by Lisbon1940 (No full-term Governors (at the time of election!)
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To: DoodleBob
Assuming no inflation, ...

That's what liberal dems always say, while they know the new estimate of $77 billion is far short of what they know will cost over $100 billion. That $77 billion estimate covers some money already allocated to portions of the rail project, but the money was diverted to non-rail related projects. So that money must be replenished and will drive costs over $100 billion including inflation.

They can't even decide how to get the high-speed rail from Merced to San Francisco. One problem is how to get high-speed trains to share track with existing trains like CalTrain into San Francisco's TransBay Terminal. The train platform is an empty hole in the ground, blocks away from the existing CalTrain station; they diverted money away from building the train platform level into finishing the bus station and park levels. Now they are thinking of building a new tunnel from the TransBay Terminal to connect to rail several miles away because of the track sharing problem - the sharing problem will slow the high-speed trains to a crawl up the peninsula to downtown SF. These "high-speed" trains will never get passengers quickly from SF to anywhere.

25 posted on 02/14/2019 12:34:30 PM PST by roadcat
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To: Publius

From Merced to Bakersfield?!?

Millions can hardly wait to ride this train!!!!! Millions!!!

Bwah hah hah hah !!!!


26 posted on 02/14/2019 12:35:49 PM PST by RooRoobird20 ("Democrats haven't been this angry since Republicans freed the slaves”)
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To: Publius

With high-speed rail receiving new attention in Congress, and climate change moving rapidly to the center of political debates,


Ah, climate change! What is going to power this high-speed rail? Ah, that’s right, electricity from giant bird-slicing windmills and giant bird-frying solar arrays. Travel between the twin metropoles of Merced and Bakersfield will have to be restricted to windy, sunny days. Blackouts of homes and businesses may be occasionally required to “keep the trains running on time”, but it all is for the greater good of saving the planet and getting us out of icky cars and planes.


27 posted on 02/14/2019 12:55:43 PM PST by hanamizu
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To: Poison Pill
"Willie Green, is that you?"

Beat me to it!

28 posted on 02/14/2019 12:58:42 PM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: MeganC

In a politically-plagued state like California, what good is a high-speed rail system? If they ran it to the nearest border, they might save money & serve a purpose at the same time.


29 posted on 02/14/2019 1:00:17 PM PST by oldtech
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To: blueplum
...in other words, wormy little Newsom is looking for a reason, any reason, to keep the fed grant instead of returning it to the Treasury. So a 1/2B link becomes $3.6 B overnight. The consultants and experts and assorted other ‘special interests’ must be delighted the cash cow can still be milked.

In other words, what would Vito Corleone do?

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30 posted on 02/14/2019 1:21:45 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in-never, never,never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. Winston Churchill)
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To: posterchild

Sorry, San Fran, not SBO.


31 posted on 02/14/2019 2:20:14 PM PST by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s^2))
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To: a fool in paradise

“Except neither can afford fair price for farmlands.”

In California the initial French plan included an alignment on the west side of Interstate Five which is almost all state-owned land or else inexpensive dry scrub land.

Almost no farmland at all was to have been impacted by that proposal...of course that also meant that the Democrats wouldn’t be able to scheme their way into big bucks as the government bought up their land.


32 posted on 02/14/2019 2:42:04 PM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism.)
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To: MeganC

they bought 25% of the first 30 miles of 300+ miles necessary.

fail rail


33 posted on 02/14/2019 3:08:46 PM PST by a fool in paradise (Denounce DUAC - The Democrats Un-American Activists Committee)
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To: hanamizu

Why go anyplace else anyway? Globalists have the same developers dropping cookie cutter chain strip centers and townhomes into every old neighborhood everywhere making everyplace bland and the same.


34 posted on 02/14/2019 3:10:22 PM PST by a fool in paradise (Denounce DUAC - The Democrats Un-American Activists Committee)
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To: Publius
Meanwhile in China...


35 posted on 02/14/2019 4:52:13 PM PST by vannrox (The Preamble to the Bill of Rights - without it, our Bill of Rights is meaningless!)
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To: Publius

If you look at the map of the construction projects under way they are not quite to Merced or Bakersfield.

https://buildhsr.com/interactive_map/

I wonder if we’ll live long enough to see even a ceremonial run on the tracks.

Provided, of course, that they don’t run out of money before buying any, you know, track.


36 posted on 02/14/2019 6:30:37 PM PST by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: Publius

Prop. 1a specifically forbid subsidies for the HSR project:
“The planned passenger service by the authority in the corridor or usable segment thereof will not require a local, state, or federal operating subsidy.
and
“...the planned passenger train service to be provided by the authority, or pursuant to its authority, will not require operating subsidy”

https://vig.cdn.sos.ca.gov/2008/general/pdf-guide/suppl-complete-guide.pdf#prop1a

But the HSR board ignored several provisions of Prop. 1a since 2008....starting with a “blended system” on the S.F. peninsula which violated the “2 hour 40 minute” “high-speed” provision.


37 posted on 02/14/2019 6:43:23 PM PST by Drago
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To: Publius
They need a different approach:


38 posted on 02/14/2019 7:05:12 PM PST by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: freedumb2003

The Simpson’s were never the same without Phil Hartman!


39 posted on 02/16/2019 12:31:51 AM PST by Impy (I have no virtue to signal.)
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To: Publius

Just five minutes from Bako to Merced Cross the sea by rail...

40 posted on 02/16/2019 12:37:53 AM PST by Califreak (If Obama had been treated like Trump the US would have been burnt down before Inauguration Day)
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