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The Weak Rollout of the Green New Deal
RCP ^ | Bill Scher

Posted on 02/11/2019 5:52:35 AM PST by RoosterRedux

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What has been put forth is only a resolution calling on Congress to draft Green New Deal legislation, not detailed legislation itself. The resolution calls for “meeting 100 percent of the power demand in the United States through clean, renewable, and zero-emission energy sources,” to be “accomplished through a 10-year national mobilization,” but it doesn’t offer much of a plan to accomplish it, let alone grapple with all of the obstacles and ramifications of a radical transformation of the American economy over a breakneck timeline. On top of its energy goals, the resolution would “require” providing all Americans with “high-quality health care,” “affordable, safe, and adequate housing” and “economic security,” but makes no attempt to explain how to accomplish any of that.

Further adding to the confusion, and handing political ammunition to Republicans, was an amateurish fact sheet briefly posted on Ocasio-Cortez’s website that suggested the proposal would include additional ambitious measures, such as a universal basic income for all Americans. The document was taken down from the site, and dismissed by the congresswoman as a “draft” not intended for distribution.

Some have suggested the sheer audacity of the plan is more important than the policy details or its immediate legislative prospects, because it will move the so-called “Overton Window”: By expanding the bounds of political discourse, the Green New Deal will make other climate proposals appear more moderate than they do today and improve their prospects for passage.

But at least one of the chief policy architects of the resolution isn’t looking to make other proposals look good; he’s trying to make other Democrats look bad.

(Excerpt) Read more at realclearpolitics.com ...


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1 posted on 02/11/2019 5:52:35 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

Didn’t Hussein’s green deal already fail. Ya know, Solyndra, weather proofing brown shirts, hammering coal companies, blocking oil leases, pipelines, etc..


2 posted on 02/11/2019 5:57:50 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.r)
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To: RoosterRedux

> to be “accomplished through a 10-year national mobilization” <

Kinda reminds me of Stalin’s old five-year plans. Goals were set without any connection to reality. Miss your goal, and you’re a “wrecker”. It’s off to the gulag with you!

I guess that part of Ocasio-Cortez’s plan will be rolled out later.


3 posted on 02/11/2019 6:00:59 AM PST by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: RoosterRedux

There’s a method to their madness. First they float a very extreme green strategy. Alarms everyone but the enviro wingnuts. Then, they back off, drop the banning of internal combustion engines (for now) and commercial aircraft. Then, the mushy middle, aka suburban women, think oh, ok they’re not so bad afterall. I can live with that. Will work like a charm. Guarantee it...


4 posted on 02/11/2019 6:03:48 AM PST by snoringbear (,W,E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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Some have suggested the sheer audacity of the plan is more important than the policy details or its immediate legislative prospects, because it will move the so-called “Overton Window”: By expanding the bounds of political discourse, the Green New Deal will make other climate proposals appear more moderate than they do today and improve their prospects for passage.

As has been suggested, this isn't about climate at all...but it is about shifting the "Overton Window."

This resolution has put the discussion of "socialism" front and center (i.e. expanded the "Overton Window" leftward to include it).

Whomever it is that is backing AOC (certainly the Democratic Socialists of America but who else?) isn't sitting on the sidelines looking for a chance to get in the game.

They have elbowed their way right into the center of things and this session is just getting started.

5 posted on 02/11/2019 6:04:44 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

The Green New Deal will go the same way as “Earth Day”, a nothing burger eaten by kooks.


6 posted on 02/11/2019 6:07:18 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: RoosterRedux
It is only fair that those backing the "Green New Deal' start living by it's standards from the git-go.

No more flights to their districts, vegan food ONLY, travel only by electric vehicles, no electricity except that produced by renewable sources like solar and windmills...

7 posted on 02/11/2019 6:09:32 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

GND - Green New Deal
  Good News Declared

LTC - Learn To Code
    Lead to Christ

The opportunity to challenge the mantras and talking points of the LEFT are before us all.


8 posted on 02/11/2019 6:10:20 AM PST by ptsal
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To: snoringbear

Something on the order of being accused of murder with fake evidence and told you are going to get the needle. Then later on you are told to plead guilty and get life. So you jump at life in prison to avoid the death penalty.

May be a weak analogy, but such a plan is the death penalty and backing off from hit for a softer solution does sort of parallel what you said.


9 posted on 02/11/2019 6:17:59 AM PST by redfreedom (Elizabeth Warren has more Indian blood in her than journalism has truth.)
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To: ptsal

AOC came out with the plan that men should pee in a milk jug to save water. To insure equal rights shouldn’t every woman be fitted with a cath? Who is going to cover the cost of all the UTI’s this creates? Will the caths be attached to plastic bags creating more pollution? How will plastic bags be made without oil to make the plastic?

If we outlaw cows no one will be making milk jugs.
Second what the heck are we supposed to do with milk jugs full of pee? Is there going to be a separate garbage bin to put the jugs in? How do you separate the pee and plastic into their rightful bins?

Someone should ask her all these questions.


10 posted on 02/11/2019 6:20:47 AM PST by oldasrocks
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AOC introed the "Green Dream" in the AM.......but by Feb. 7 afternoon, the Democrat removed the thing from her website
without explanation....following backlash and even ridicule over the G/D's radical plans including a call to
"eliminate emissions from cows or air travel" — and to provide “economic security for those unable or 'unwilling' to work."

dailycaller.com
Virginia Kruta | Associate Editor

‘I WAS LAUGHING SO HARD I NEARLY CRIED’:
WSJ’S KIMBERLEY STRASSEL CAN’T GET OVER GREEN NEW DEAL

The Wall Street Journal’s Kimberley Strassel was not impressed by the rollout of the proposed Green New Deal — in fact, she argued that “if a bunch of GOPers plotted to forge a fake Democratic bill showing how bonkers the party is, they could not have done a better job.”

As Democrats rolled out the resolution, the commentary and criticisms rolled out as well. Strassel was firmly and decidedly in the camp of the latter.

"By the end of the Green New Deal resolution (and accompanying fact sheet) I was laughing so hard I nearly cried. If a bunch of GOPers plotted to forge a fake Democratic bill showing how bonkers the party is, they could not have done a better job. It is beautiful."

Strassel followed her initial tweet with a series of key points to illustrate her initial assessment. The facilities, solar panels, and turbines required to deliver “renewable electricity” on the scale described in the GND would take up more space than the entire state of California.......500k square km. Also note, govt (taxpayers) will pay for these—not private sector.

11 posted on 02/11/2019 6:24:32 AM PST by Liz ( Our side has 8 trillion bullets; the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use.)
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To: RoosterRedux

I wish opponents would focus on what it requires rather than what it hopes to achieve. It requires elimination of 2 (at least) principles our country was founded on

1) Consent of the governed - stated in the preamble to the Declaration of Independence
2) Property rights - the 16th has eroded this right, but the green new deal would end it

Neither party cares about these now but it’s still possible for them to regain some respect. Once the bureaucracy and revenue/tax mechanisms are put in place to implement the green new deal, these two principles will be almost impossible to get back without a change of government.

Progressives will try to convince people that only “the rich” will be taxed. We need to educate people that EVERYONE (and their employer) will lose the right to property as long as our country exists - restoring rights is VERY RARE while continuous expansion of government power (and need for our money) has happened in every government in history. The end of the country will have started once we lose property rights and more often than not replacing the government is not pretty.


12 posted on 02/11/2019 6:25:01 AM PST by LostPassword
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To: redfreedom

“Green New Deal will make other climate proposals appear more moderate than they do today and improve their prospects for passage.”

This is exactly the play. This is very effective Rat tactic


13 posted on 02/11/2019 6:26:21 AM PST by gibsonguy
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To: oldasrocks

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14 posted on 02/11/2019 6:26:44 AM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: RoosterRedux
By expanding the bounds of political discourse, the Green New Deal will make other climate proposals appear more moderate than they do today and improve their prospects for passage.

one of the rules for negotiating is:

Aim your aspirations high. Your aspirations will likely be the single most important factor in determining the outcome of the negotiation. You can aim high just as easily as you can aim low.

15 posted on 02/11/2019 6:39:32 AM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: Leaning Right
Kinda reminds me of Stalin’s old five-year plans.

Even the old Hollywood noticed:

"A Russian! I love Russians! Comrade. I've been fascinated by your Five-Year Plan for the last fifteen years." /Ninotchka

16 posted on 02/11/2019 6:40:25 AM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: LostPassword
The "green" in the Green New Deal isn't chlorophyll...it's the green ink used to give cash its color.

And its goal isn't a clean environment. It's the elimination of the two principles you mentioned...(1) Consent of the governed and (2) Property rights.

The Green New Deal is nothing but a vehicle for socialism.

If the Left were currently concerned with the fear of extraterrestrial invasion, the Congressional Resolution would have been a "Stop the UFO's New Deal."

17 posted on 02/11/2019 6:53:48 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

Just call it what it is. The Contract Against America. Which really means, in the twisted and warped minds of progs, a Contract Against Free Markets. Or, Contract for Tyranny, if you want the nuts and bolts version.


18 posted on 02/11/2019 7:13:00 AM PST by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Neither the “New Deal” nor the “Green” movements have ever been anything but a front for imposing a command-and-control economy and governing system on the United States.

FDR’s original “New Deal” was in fact a serious crib from the program promoted by Benito Mussolini in Italy during the 1920’s, and the Fascist government of Italy was held to be the model for how the economy of the US might be reorganized, in “fairness” to the working class.

The original intent of the socialist program behind fascism was to harness the wealth generation capability of capitalist investment for the benefit of distribution of the proceeds in larger quantity for the labor force that contributed its efforts to the growth and market penetration of the organized corporations. The corporate entities were to be organized into “syndicates”, a group of cartels each specializing in one segment of the economy, and the purpose of the government was to consolidate and regulate this consolidation until there was one essential leadership council of each of the various segments of the economy. Once this state of nirvana was achieved, the state, as such, would simply wither away, and the oligarchies of each of the syndicates would effectively govern the flow of wealth and the well-being of the denizens under their purview.

The “Greens” have taken the further step of actively promoting government agencies as the “innovators”, and not the capitalistic oligarchies, who would only be “permitted” to join in as the assigned “winners” of the lottery of distribution of largesse from the proceeds of funds from taxation. Those who failed to meet approval of the government “experts” would be mercilessly driven from the marketplace.

Laissez-faire capitalism was to be totally suppressed and denounced as “evil”.

Turns out, any form of command-and-control economics can only continue for so long as the great masses do not become restless, and the usually much smaller number of professional malcontents is ruthlessly suppressed, by imprisonment, exile, or execution of the most recalcitrant.

Police state and socialism are indivisible.


19 posted on 02/11/2019 7:23:53 AM PST by alloysteel (History will be kind to me for I intend to write it. - Winston Churchill)
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To: Calvin Locke

A true story from an old economics book of mine:

During one of Stalin’s five-year plans, a factory manager was told he must double (by weight) the amount of nails that he produced.

The manager realized he could only accomplish this by producing really big nails. So that’s what he did. He met his goal, and got a medal.

No matter that no one needed such large nails. They just sat in the factory lot and rusted.

Onward the Revolution!


20 posted on 02/11/2019 7:32:50 AM PST by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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