[FLT-bird]

jefersondem: That is an interesting comment. What, exactly, did the founding document say about “at pleasure.”

As always the PC Revisionists have it exactly backwards. They seem to come at it from the belief that the state's powers flow from the federal and that barring an express grant of power by the federal government to the state governments then the states don't have it. Wrong! Its exactly the opposite. Barring an express grant of power from the states to the federal then the federal does not have it. Nowhere is the federal government given the power to prevent secession nor are any conditions put on when a state may exercise its right to secession.

[jeffersondem]

“As always the PC Revisionists have it exactly backwards.”

I have that concern too.

However, Brother Joe makes reference to the phrase “at pleasure” frequently and knowing him he will be boiling in here any minute with multiple citations - book, chapter and verse - conjoining “at pleasure” to the founding document.

[BroJoeK]

FLT-bird: "As always the PC Revisionists have it exactly backwards"

Nonsense.

FLT-bird: "They seem to come at it from the belief that the state's powers flow from the federal and that barring an express grant of power by the federal government to the state governments then the states don't have it.
Wrong! "

More nonsense.
Our Founders considered "disunion" acceptable under two, but only two conditions:

1. From necessity, abuses, usurpations, injury or oppression as spelled out in their 1776 Declaration of Independence.

2. At pleasure with mutual consent as in adopting their new Constitution in 1788.

No Founders ever proposed or supported unilateral unapproved declaration of secession at pleasure, but that's what Confederates did in 1860.

FLT-bird: " Nowhere is the federal government given the power to prevent secession nor are any conditions put on when a state may exercise its right to secession."

Nor did Democrat President Buchanan take any steps to stop secession or prevent the Confederacy forming.
Even President Lincoln took no military action against Confederates until after they provoked, started, declared & began to wage war against the United States.