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This is a great blog article. I agree completely with Dr. Soon when he says: "Climate is totally, completely dependent on what the sun is doing to the system. The sun is the major driver of the earth climate system"

The climate alarmists need to understand that the shielding and blocking effect of greenhouse gases works in both directions: it substantially reduces the flow of energy into the earth's surface from the sun during daytime, and also slows down the release of energy from the earth's surface at night. So the main impact of greenhouse gases is to lower the daytime high temperatures and raise the nighttime lows, thereby moderating the earth's temperature and making our planet much more inhabitable by humans and all forms of life. Also, CO2 is a very ineffective greenhouse gas and even doubling the CO2 level in our atmosphere will not have any significant effect on average temperatures throughout the year. Water vapor is the main greenhouse gas, and greatly reduces the daily temperature range on the earth, while the sun is the main driver of long-term temperature change.

1 posted on 12/12/2018 9:20:51 PM PST by socialism_stinX
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Unfortunately for them, and all the rest of us, is we are living on a cooling world not a warming one. They get it wrong on all points of the compass when it comes to climate change even with CO2 being a warming gas when the truth is that it helps cool the stratosphere by helping reradiate solar energy back into space.

OH, NOES!!! Back to the future, 1976, man is causing global freezing. While it's true that the earths average temperature is cooling, it is because of inactivity of sun spots, nothing to do with your back yard grill.

The left is finally going to get global temperature prediction correct, they are going to freeze their ass off for 3-4 centuries, and will not like this outcome.


39 posted on 12/13/2018 4:07:20 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke all mooselimb terrorists, today.)
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43 posted on 12/13/2018 4:29:44 AM PST by JJ_Folderol
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“Water vapor is the main greenhouse gas, and greatly reduces the daily temperature range on the earth,”

According to Joe Bastardi water vapor’s impact upon atmospheric temperature is the exact opposite.


44 posted on 12/13/2018 4:42:10 AM PST by Rebelbase
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the shielding and blocking effect of greenhouse gases works in both directions: it substantially reduces the flow of energy into the earth's surface from the sun during daytime, ...

That's true. But the incoming shortwave energy is not blocked by greenhouse gases. The earth's surface has to remove a ton of heat from the sun. The heat removal is slowed by greenhouse gases. More greenhouse gas means less heat removal so the surface temperature rises.

Water vapor is the main greenhouse gas, and greatly reduces the daily temperature range on the earth

That's true, but water vapor varies depending on prevailng weather which is the main modulator of climate.

while the sun is the main driver of long-term temperature change

If that were the whole story we would see large swings in the 11/22 year cycles, but we don't. The main effect of the sun is to modulate the weather which can warm or cool or have no net global effect. The main modulator of weather is geography which for our timescales is fixed. Our current geography leads to our permanent ice age with short interglacials like the one we are in. It also leads to CO2 starvation, mainly from the weathering of rocks on the Himalayas and other relatively new mountain ranges.

It is that complete understanding of climate that leads to the conclusion that CO2 is good, warming is good, etc.

45 posted on 12/13/2018 5:13:31 AM PST by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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I can confirm that CO2 is a great cooling gas. When we were floating off the coast of the RVN looking for targets and the outside temp was 115 and the old AC wasn’t chugging along so good, you could grab a can of bathwater hot Coke and shoot it for five seconds with a CO2 fire extinguisher and that sucker would be chilled to the max.


47 posted on 12/13/2018 5:19:48 AM PST by VietVet876
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Gotta be careful with articles like this:

Global warming theory predicts a cooling stratosphere. Which is happening.

Problem is global warming theory also predicts a tropopause “hotspot” which is NOT happening.


57 posted on 12/13/2018 6:18:37 AM PST by JPJones (More tariffs, less income tax.)
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We have all heard it that CO2 emissions are causing global warming and the sea will rise 20+ feet. The earth is doomed even if there has been climate changes numinous climate changes time during the history of the earth. Maybe Gore should look at what the roll of CO2 in the atmosphere is before he tries to eliminate it. The sun is the major driver of the earth climate system not Al Gore and CO2. As we reduce CO2 there will be an increase of solar rays the reaching the earth and less plant growth. Read the article to see how things that make up our atmosphere are all interdependent on each other


59 posted on 12/13/2018 6:45:21 AM PST by klsparrow
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"I agree completely with Dr. Soon when he says: "Climate is totally, completely dependent on what the sun is doing to the system. The sun is the major driver of the earth climate system" "

And both you and Dr. Soon are wrong. There are a huge number of things that affect climate, many of which we simply have not yet discovered. I don't believe in the simplistic picture of global warming as portrayed by the "the science is settled crowd" simply because the system is so hugely complex.

62 posted on 12/13/2018 6:50:25 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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alleged anthropogenic climate change bump


67 posted on 12/13/2018 7:24:06 AM PST by SteveH
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Of course CO2 is causing the planet to cool. The planet is cooling and very important people have serious money invested in the plan to tax CO2 emissions, so while we rubes once thought CO2 was warming the planet we have now been informed by our betters that it is in fact causing the planet to cool and MUST therefore be taxed and regulated into submission before we all freeze to death.

Grants will be distributed to all studies  investigating  proving this new indisputable fact.
68 posted on 12/13/2018 7:30:39 AM PST by Garth Tater (What's mine is mine.)
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Chop down all of the trees!


71 posted on 12/13/2018 9:31:34 AM PST by Gamecock (In church today, we so often find we meet only the same old world, not Christ and His Kingdom. AS)
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The Sun controls the weather, another lesson that is being blatantly ignored by the Watermelons.

So we should stop being concerned about too much CO2 and worry about the opposite, too little.

Does this mean that if we breathe more it will save the earth?


80 posted on 12/14/2018 11:57:57 AM PST by arrogantsob (See "Chaos and Mayhem" at Amazon.com)
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re: “based on the assumption that carbon is a warming gas”

Ahhh no. Just stop right there.


84 posted on 12/16/2018 8:05:41 PM PST by _Jim (democrats create mobs. Republicans create jobs.)
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This late reply will be seen by no one.

I know a little bit about global warming. It is happening. CO2 is a warming gas in the troposhere. It is not a crisis. It is an excuse for more socialism.

That said, there is an obvious and predicted reason for stratospheric cooling. The stratosphere is heated both by infrared light from the sun *AND* by infrared radiation from the earth, particularly at night. Increased CO2 in the lower atmosphere, the layer called the troposphere, reflects some of that infrared heat radiation back to earth so it does not reach the upper atmosphere, the stratospheric layer and above and therefore they cool off.

You also have to understand that all infrared is not equal. the atmosphere with CO2 reflects some wavelengths from the sun back into space and that energy never reaches earth. But the select wavelengths that reach the ground and warm it are transformed into heat wavelengths that CO2 reflects from the sun, except when those wavelengths come from the ground, they are reflected by the CO2 back to the ground.

I hope this real science does not get me banned ;-)


85 posted on 12/19/2018 2:01:30 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Reverse Wickard v Filburn (1942) - and - ISLAM DELENDA EST)
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