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Loggers support Trump's claim that wildfires caused by 'poor forest management'
washingtontimes.com ^ | 11/16/2018 | Jennifer Harper

Posted on 11/19/2018 8:27:04 AM PST by rktman

A national logging organization is offering support to President Trump following catastrophic wildfires in California and a political debate over the causes of the destructive blazes.

“President Trump blamed poor forest management for wildfires in California and throughout the West, and there is truth to statements he has made,” said Daniel Dructor, executive vice president of the American Loggers Council, a coalition of state and regional associations that represents independent contract loggers.

“It’s time to rise above political posturing and recognize that active forest management — including logging, thinning, grazing and controlled burning — are tools that can and must be used to reduce fire risks and help mitigate the impacts to landscapes,” Mr. Dructor said in a statement.

According to the council, some 60 million to 80 million acres of national forest are at “high, to very high, risk of catastrophic wildfire.”

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: California; US: Montana; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: california; campfire; drought; globalwarminghoax; loggers; logging; sierranevadas; stakeholders; treekillers; wildfires
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To: PapaBear3625

My theory is that owners of private timber land (Weyerhaeuser, for example, owns 13 million acres of private forest) don’t want the competition from public forests.


Not a theory ... a long gone friend on mine looked into that situation in the late 1990s, and, low and behold, who do you imagine was supplying the lion’s share of funding to the anti-logging environmentals?

Weyerhaeuser, Boise Cascade, Georgia-Pacific Corp, International Paper, Rayonier, Sierra Pacific Industries ...


21 posted on 11/19/2018 9:02:11 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: ColdOne

On every trip I have made in the last thirty years through the Rockies and Sierras I was shocked by the sheer amount of dead standing timber among the green. I thought it was just a tinder box waiting to explode.

Then it did.


22 posted on 11/19/2018 9:04:07 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: frog in a pot

Oh they figured that it was better to let that slash burn uncontrolled up in the tree tops than have it on the ground and slash burn it where they can control it.

Not one stick of merchantable wood should be wasted. NOT ONE.


23 posted on 11/19/2018 9:04:17 AM PST by crz
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To: rktman

Legitimate experts have written a ton of books on this. Trump and the loggers could not be more right. Let’s put aside the fact that these idiots from the gov turn everything they touch to garbage, just for the moment. These drones have absolutely no knowledge of how to manage forested land. They have their precious little nihilistic agenda and whatever degree that shows they were suitably indoctrinated and that is it. These wildfires can be laid squarely at the feet of the left and they won’t take their blame because they are terminally and galactically stupid.


24 posted on 11/19/2018 9:05:58 AM PST by 13Sisters76 ("It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. " Thos. Sowell)
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To: SpaceBar
"Just yesterday, standing amongst ashes, he went off on climate change as the culprit."

He's programmed to be stuck on stupid.

25 posted on 11/19/2018 9:08:28 AM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: Toughluck_freeper

***He sounded like a Shaman about to pray for rain with a rain dance. ***

And six months ago they were crying because of too much rain.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/weather/video/heavy-rain-in-northern-california-spurs-concerns-of-flooding-mudslides-1205166147897


26 posted on 11/19/2018 9:11:22 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: 3boysdad

A must read!!

The Tinder Box: How Politicallly Correct Ideology Destroyed the U.S Forest Service
Sep 17, 2014
by Christopher Burchfield


27 posted on 11/19/2018 9:31:46 AM PST by OregonRancher (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints)
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To: rktman

And they “rake” the forest too:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXh_HwJaXT8

And dimwits everywhere ridicule POTUS, again, for knowing what he is talking about.


28 posted on 11/19/2018 9:35:32 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: PapaBear3625

Having once worked for Weyerhaeuser I can tell you their forest lands do NOT burn.

And their trees are worth billions and billions.


29 posted on 11/19/2018 9:38:50 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: SpaceBar

Jerry Brown is criminally negligent for repeatedly vetoing forest management legislation that was passed and sent to him for signature.

He belongs in prison, he is personally and most responsible for the current wildfire catastrophes.


30 posted on 11/19/2018 9:39:08 AM PST by RooRoobird20 ("Democrats haven't been this angry since Republicans freed the slaves.")
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Well, to assist in putting out the fire, the forecast is calling for 60% precip Tuesday night and then 90% for two days and possibly heavy rain for the Paradise area. Will there be mud slides and debris slides in the burn scar areas? Yup.


31 posted on 11/19/2018 9:44:40 AM PST by rktman ( #My2nd! Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: OregonRancher

Let me add that I’ve been in or around the forest all my life, starting at six in a lookout tower near Noxon on the Clark Fork river in Idaho.
The book I recommended made me sick, literally sick, reading how much the FS has descended from a well run federal agency to a weak kneed, politically correct sham run by progressive liberals.


32 posted on 11/19/2018 9:46:08 AM PST by OregonRancher (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints)
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To: ColdOne

“I live in the middle of gov control forest. It is a massive fire hazard”

How do you reconcile the place where you like to live with the fire hazard? Do you have insurance if your home burns down? Do most of the people that lost homes have insurance?

Why does your government “manage” forests? Is it primarily for safety of people living amongst them?

Why not just not manage forests and have people realize they might not want to live in them?

Are the fires damaging to the forests themselves?

Has the California Forestry Management Department failed the California citizens? Have they failed to protect or failed to inform of the hazards?

What should be done going forward?


33 posted on 11/19/2018 9:46:34 AM PST by cymbeline
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To: Mariner

Living in the Ozarks, the only smoke we get here are from controlled burns in the national forests. The paper company forests never seem to burn.

Back in the 1950s-1960s, we used to get lots of wildfires from the trains throwing off sparks. When the railroad companies started properly maintaining the rights of way, the fires suddenly ceased. In the last thirty years, I’ve seen one near wildfire when the railroad workers were cutting up old rails and the local grass caught fire.

Today the most wildfires I’ve seen has been from idiots throwing live cigarettes out of car windows in late winter.


34 posted on 11/19/2018 9:51:15 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

“The paper company forests never seem to burn.”

That’s because their forests are managed and “raked”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXh_HwJaXT8


35 posted on 11/19/2018 9:57:57 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: rktman

I’ve scanned most of the comments and missing from what I saw is the biggest factor I see in our area:

People who complain to their legislators about smoke from prescribed burns.

Hence, they’ve all but stopped in the face of clean air regulations and a burdensome permit process.

Thus, those complaining about the smoke in CA can cry me a river. In fact, they should shed their tears into Lake Mead; they’re gonna need it.


36 posted on 11/19/2018 9:59:46 AM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: logi_cal869

Bingo! We have a winner.


37 posted on 11/19/2018 10:09:45 AM PST by OregonRancher (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints)
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To: Toughluck_freeper

Trump could pivot on this and instead say “Forest and Land Management”.

Yeah, I know, the broad category covers the smaller category, so it’s a bit redundant, but, it does get the message across, and is irrefutable, then.


38 posted on 11/19/2018 10:40:01 AM PST by Paul R.
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To: Mariner

Meanwhile, north of the border in BC and Alberta they had just as big of a Mountain Pine Beetle problem as we did. However, they aggressively harvested Lodgepole Pine that was dead over the last 10 years. Now, many of the interior BC sawmills are back to sawing mostly green timber.

The ironic thing is that blue stained Ponderosa Pine boards are in big demand especially in the Colorado lumber market.
Pine boards with blue stain were always sold at a discount until about a year ago. Now, there is a niche market that wants this product.

The problem with harvesting dead timber is that it typically has bug holes, shake, more splits and rot. Therefore, the grade yield is not as good. Most sawmills do not want it. In Canada the government made the sawmills take it along with green timber. Much of the low grade dimension got shipped offshore to places like China. China buys a larger percentage of low grade to build pallets and crates to ship all that crap back here to Walmart, etc.


39 posted on 11/19/2018 10:42:15 AM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: frog in a pot
Back in the day, the most efficient logging procedures (high-lead logging) created quite a bit of inflammable debris ("slash"). Our federal contracts required us to control burn it to prevent spread of future fires (see Jerry Brown/California).

The deadliest wildfires in US history were caused by logging without the subsequent burning. Jerry Brown doesn't want any burning. Therefore he doesn't want logging either, except a little lip service.

40 posted on 11/19/2018 10:46:30 AM PST by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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