Trump is dead wrong about birthright citizenship

The New York Post ^ | October 30, 2018 | Seth Lipsky

[LeoTDB69]

I believe Trump is right but I don’t think it will fly as an EO. I understand one of Trump’s goals here is to bring the discussion into the forefront, but also know to watch what the left hand is doing as the debate ensues.

[freepertoo]

I think the President wants this to go to the Supreme Court.

[ThePatriotsFlag]

This is a lie. It is not difficult to research.

[EarlyBird]

Citing this 1884 case should put to bed the false assertion that the 14th Amendment dictates American citizenship for every baby dropped on our land:

In the famous Slaughter-House cases of 1872, the Supreme Court stated that this qualifying phrase was intended to exclude “children of ministers, consuls, and citizens or subjects of foreign States born within the United States.” This was confirmed in 1884 in another case, Elk vs. Wilkins, when citizenship was denied to an American Indian because he “owed immediate allegiance to” his tribe and not the United States.

If citizenship was denied to an American Indian because of divided allegiance, how can it be granted to babies born of illegal aliens, or Chinese “tourist baby hotels” in California?

[EarlyBird]

Link:

https://www.heritage.org/immigration/commentary/birthright-citizenship-fundamental-misunderstanding-the-14th-amendment

[GrandJediMasterYoda]

Pass that article around, she hit an absolute bullseye with it, it’s impossible to debate.

[faithhopecharity]

Exactly. We live in a leftist loony bin - right on! Alas...the inmates took over the mental asylum —.

[EarlyBird]

Re: Post #64

Later there was a law passed that specifically granted American Indians citizenship (someone else can research that).

But before that law, this case proved that the 14th Amendment was not sufficient to grant even Native Americans birthright citizenship.

These Supreme Court precedents were law from the 1800’s till the 1960’s, and are now of course conveniently ignored by today’s media mouthpieces and liberal judges.

[Electric Graffiti]

“These Supreme Court precedents were law from the 1800’s till the 1960’s, and are now of course conveniently ignored by today’s media mouthpieces and liberal judges.”

I just heard that lying POS Allen Dershoshitz spinning this issue on Fox business. I had to turn it off. What a prevaricating scumbag. It’s sickening that FOX has him on all the time.

[Rebelbase]

“I endorsed him (and voted for him) and agree with most of his major policies, including enforcing our immigration laws.
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Yeah, right. Like anyone writing for the NYT would admit that.

[EarlyBird]

I just heard that lying POS Allen Dershoshitz spinning this issue on Fox business. I had to turn it off. What a prevaricating scumbag. It’s sickening that FOX has him on all the time

Dershowitz is a lawyer

What do lawyers always want? Money!

’Nuff said.

[BatGuano]

“Similar to the “shall not be infringed” mystery phrase in the 2nd Amendment.”

You forgot the /s on your reply.

There is no ambiguity in the phrase, “shall not be infringed.” I guess that, to a wise person, no /s is required....my bad.

[BatGuano]

Not too hard to figure out what President Donald J. Trump (I love to spell it out) is doing. He is brilliant and will force the issue to be heard by a Court that he is responsible for placing two Justices upon. Brilliant, simply Brilliant!

[This I Wonder32460]

It needs to be talked about openly and in real terms of cost and effect, reality and tossed aside as a human rights issue as the citizens of the United States have human rights too. Our leaders need to serve the citizens and not foreign interests and non-citizen women coming to the US to have an “anchor baby” is not in the interest of the citizen residents of this nation. Rules change and this one needs to change, not to be mean, but to be fair to our own people (of all ethnicity).

A cat having kittens in the pantry doesn’t make them biscuits.

[MileHi]

Why is Trump suddenly losing his courage?

He's not.

[trebb]

I love it when they try to sound logical while eschewing actual logic...

[cynwoody]

So, Seth, my daughter was born at Landstuhl US Army Region Medical Center in Germany. Does that make her a German?

That's up to zhe Germans. If they vant to claim her, zhey can! But she does not need to accept Krautisch citizenship. She gets to choose whether she wants her citizenship governed by German law or American law. If she chooses American, she's eligible to be president upon attaining the age of 35. If not, then not. It's that simple.

BECAUSE NO COUNTRY OTHER THAN THE USA HAS BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP FOR FOREIGNERS/NON-CITIZENS. NONE!

You haven't a clue. Most of the western hemisphere has birthright citizenship.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli

[Alas Babylon!]

Well, if I “haven’t a clue”, it’s because I got it from this guy:

“We’re the only country in the world where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States ... with all of those benefits,” President Trump said in an interview with Axios.

[Poison Pill]

In reality neither does the US except as interpreted in the last 40 years or so. This interpretation has no basis in law. Trump is fishing for a SCOTUS ruling on this issue confident that it will rule against Birthright Citizenship for children of illegal aliens. Min. 5-4

Yeah, I think so too.

I get nervous when presidents want to do things with EOs. The more the country gets acclimated to huge policy decisions made that way the more trouble you have when a Democrat gets back in the Oval.