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To: Swordmaker
You mentioned ‘reporters’ and ‘experts’ and provided no more evidence than your word. No sources cited, Not one. Ergo, it never happened. (I am playing by the same rules as you do)

The photo shows a chip with 3 pins. A ‘coupler’ needs more that 3 pins to function. An LED (2 pins) and a photo diode (2 pins) or a photo transistor (2 pins) are the minimum needed to make a photo ‘coupler’.
A coupler could be made with separate parts but they need to be directly adjacent to each other. The photo in TFA(the fine article) shows the part all alone on a PCB(printed circuit board).
Correct me if I am wrong!

You have tasked yourself with ‘proving a negative’.
Name the experts and reporters you offer as ‘proof’.
Name the catalog you claim the reporter offers as proof.
Name the specific part you are referring to as a ‘coupler’.
There are many thousands of common 3 pin parts that plausibly could match the photo, but a ‘coupler’ is not among them.
It is for this reason that I conclude you are ignorant of that which you speak.

Please note I don't think Bloomy has proved a positive, but it IS possible.
It is well documented that the commies counterfeit electronics.
It is well documented that the same electronics as often as not contain a backdoor. Stroll on over to DuckDuckGo or Bing(zing) and look for “shodan” for live streaming proof.

***Important tangent*** -> NEVER connect your security cameras to the internet without taking the time to consider the potential for abuse that is irresistible to script kiddies.

Methinks if this article had not ‘in your mind’ called your baby ugly you would also easily find the same flaws with the task you have chosen to personally undertake.

47 posted on 10/21/2018 1:40:36 PM PDT by Hermes37 (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much space!)
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To: Hermes37

Blasey-Ford supporter much? Lots of experts confirming that Bloomberg faked the article.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/7453990/china-spy-chip-apple-amazon/

“However, experts have confirmed that images used in the report didn’t actually show the real chip at all.”

“Bloomberg’s Businessweek magazine published photos of the chips and the “motherboards” they were supposedly sneaked onto.”

“A major one is that photos used are not the devices in question – but rather stock photos of widely available type of computer chip known as a “signal coupler”.”


48 posted on 10/21/2018 3:31:57 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: Hermes37
You mentioned ‘reporters’ and ‘experts’ and provided no more evidence than your word. No sources cited, Not one. Ergo, it never happened. (I am playing by the same rules as you do)

So YOU believe Bloomberg. The reports and articles have ALREADY been posted on FR. . . so go do you your OWN research right here on FR, instead of attacking me with claims of made up "rules," asshat. . . go on using your rules. . . I will just ignore you.

The photo shows a chip with 3 pins. A ‘coupler’ needs more that 3 pins to function. An LED (2 pins) and a photo diode (2 pins) or a photo transistor (2 pins) are the minimum needed to make a photo ‘coupler’.

I did not select the photo, BLOOMBERG DID, DUMMY. The coupler (who said anything about a photo coupler) in that BLOOMBERG's photo used has SIX pins, three on this side, and three on the other. Again, go find the original article. . . There are couplers use on motherboards. . . commonly. Consider yourself corrected.

You have tasked yourself with ‘proving a negative’.

No, I have not. To prove me wrong, all anyone has to do is find another motherboard that is compromised in the same way. This was claimed to have been found by both Amazon and Apple (they deny it ever happened) THREE YEARS AGO. . . but not a single other company running these servers made using SuperMicro boards has found a single, read NOT ONE, other such compromised motherboard. I repeat, not one. As in NONE! I don't have to prove a negative, they have to only find more. . . and they cannot do it. That's a positive finding.

Name the catalog you claim the reporter offers as proof.

Prove you don't work for Bloomberg, Hermes37. I quoted that claim from one of the other articles not from a "reporter" but from one of the misquoted "experts" cited in the original article. You head is going further up your nether orifice, I suggest you stop pushing.

Name the specific part you are referring to as a ‘coupler’.

The one the misquoted expert says is perched on top of the finger from the ORIGINAL article. . . the one that is NOT pictured in situ in the original article. . . not once. . . which he stated in a secondary article also posted on FR, that he sent the writers of the original article the catalog. WAKE UP. . . use your head for something other than growing hair. A surreptitious chip on a US designed board is an EASILY FOUND OBJECT when doing a comparison. . . and it is NOT EASILY ADDED without a complete redesign of the various levels of the multilevel circuit boards. That is NOT TRIVIAL. Think about it. THERE ARE FAR EASIER WAYS TO DO THIS WITH THE ALREADY EXISTING HARDWARE!

There are many thousands of common 3 pin parts that plausibly could match the photo, but a ‘coupler’ is not among them.

SHEESH, Hermes37, you are looking at ONE SIDE of a three dimensional component. . . which has SIX LEGS, not three. How do you think that part stands on that finger without falling over, if it has only three legs? It ain't two dimensional.

***Important tangent*** -> NEVER connect your security cameras to the internet without taking the time to consider the potential for abuse that is irresistible to script kiddies.

YOU just proved my point. . . why use additional hardware when additional function can be added to the hardware that is already there? An extra chip on a motherboard is a RED FLAG that can be found with just cursory examination. This motherboard is a specific design DELIBERATELY engineered IN THE United States by SuperMicro which is wholly responsible for the QUALITY CONTROL EXAMINATION of every single one made. That extra IC chip would be found on QC checking which is done by computer examination on the first check for anomalies. It would NOT PASS. How hard is that to comprehend, Hermes37???? The circuitry traces would not pass QC.

Do you perhaps get that I actually DO know what I am talking about???

Methinks if this article had not ‘in your mind’ called your baby ugly you would also easily find the same flaws with the task you have chosen to personally undertake.

My "baby ugly", eh? Again, I find someone who suffers from a severe case of reading comprehension failure. The articles written by Bloomberg actually did NOT blame Apple or Amazon for this problem. . . and in fact gave them kudos for FINDING the surreptitious IC while doing due diligence before buying the servers from a third-party supplier (although the report is entirely wrong according to Amazon and Apple and the NSA, the FBI, GSHQ, and a host of other official organizations which should know and many other companies who use these servers with these motherboards). So, no, only people incapable of reading for comprehension ever called anyone's baby (except Chinese babies) ugly. . . but there we've uncovered YOUR irrational bias. . . and asshatted insane blindness.

54 posted on 10/28/2018 8:02:40 PM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplaphobe bigot)
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To: Hermes37

“Methinks if this article had not ‘in your mind’ called your baby ugly “

That says it all.

Apple is the most heavily dependent on China of all the US “tech” firms, though all are too dependent.
Testing and QA of boards is done at the factory that produces them, IE: contractors in China.

But whether this story is true is unknown. No one has a reason to tell the truth.


58 posted on 10/28/2018 11:27:44 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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