Posted on 08/17/2018 8:40:24 AM PDT by wardaddy
Cardinal Raymond Burke has called for “open recognition” of the Catholic church’s homosexual culture in light of recent revelations of sexual abuse. “I believe that there needs to be an open recognition that we have a very grave problem of a homosexual culture in the Church,” Burke said in an interview Thursday, “especially among the clergy and the hierarchy, that needs to be addressed honestly and efficaciously.”
he former head of the church’s equivalent of the Supreme Court said it was already “clear after the studies following the 2002 sexual abuse crisis that most of the acts of abuse were in fact homosexual acts committed with adolescent young men.”
“There was a studied attempt to either overlook or to deny this,” he said, referring to the mainstream media cover-up of the homosexual nature of the abuse as well as such denial within the church itself.
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And you criticize others for judging?
Perhaps you need to take that log out........
“You assume the Church does not fully cooperate?”
I do indeed. Unless of course you consider decades of covering up, moving pedophiles from parish to parish, and telling victims to keep quiet cooperation.
L
Like Balaam's donkey; I reply to folks who seem to have missed the point.
FFJ; you seem to have a VERY short attention span.
When the Church receives an allegation, it does not have the legal obligation to immediately send the file to the DA. They first investigate internally to see if the allegation is credible. That is when the homosexual mafia kicks in. The problem is not in assessing the credibility of the allegation, it is that gay people are doing it.
Unless homosexuality in the clergy is purged, the cover up culture will remain.
yes.
The church has a moral obligation to apply man’s laws. They have no obligation to turn them in. But, their investigation is irrelevant. Criminals don’t get that privilege. They are not God, they are men. They do not get more rights because of their collar.
>>Like Balaam’s donkey; I reply to folks who seem to have missed the point.<<
Stop wasting my time. If you have a point, spit it out or go away.
>>(It’s called a non-sequitar)<<
That would be non sequitur, Miss Elsie. Now be a good girl and stop bothering me if you cannot stay on topic.
yes.
uhuh, what?
“When the Church receives an allegation, it does not have the legal obligation to immediately send the file to the DA.”
Church “officials” should be added to the list of Mandatory Reporters.
L
No, because material obtained at confession is not subject to any reporting, neither internal of external.
But the problem is not in concealing allegation already formed, but in forming it. What a bishop would receive is typically a rumor. He needs to see if the rumor can be substantiated, then it becomes an allegation. Then, if minors or violence are involved, it becomes an allegation of a crime.
But the bulk of the problem is conduct by priests, typically, homosexual between consenting adults, that is not a crime, yet indicates that the priest is not suited to be around children. Bishops should act at that point, not wait till criminal conduct happens.
“No, because material obtained at confession is not subject to any reporting, neither internal of external.”
The hell it isn’t. Subpoena the relevant Church officials, put them under oath, and if they refuse to testify jail them until they cooperate.
It’s pretty simple, really.
“Then, if minors or violence are involved, it becomes an allegation of a crime.”
At which point it becomes a matter for law enforcement.
Once again, pretty simple.
“Bishops should act at that point, not wait till criminal conduct happens.”
But they didn’t. At which point they became accessories after the fact.
Again, pretty simple.
L
“But the bulk of the problem is conduct by priests, typically, homosexual between consenting adults, that is not a crime, yet indicates that the priest is not suited to be around children.“
Nor should a practicing homo be in ministry.
Read the Scriptures and God’s judgement is clear.
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Genesis 18:20-21 Genesis 19:4-7 Leviticus niv 18:22 Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable. 20:13 If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
Isaiah 3:9 The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves. 2 Peter 2:13b Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you. Ezekiel 16:49-50
1. But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
But there IS hope!!!
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape...A BIBLICAL Message to LGBT folks EVERYWHERE!
Genesis 13:13
Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous
21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."
4. Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house.
5. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.
Psalms 12:8 The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.
Romans 1 New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE)
18 The wrath of God is indeed being revealed from heaven against every impiety and wickedness of those who suppress the truth by their wickedness. 19 For what can be known about God is evident to them, because God made it evident to them. 20 Ever since the creation of the world, his invisible attributes of eternal power and divinity have been able to be understood and perceived in what he has made. As a result, they have no excuse; 21 for although they knew God they did not accord him glory as God or give him thanks. Instead, they became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened. 22 While claiming to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for the likeness of an image of mortal man or of birds or of four-legged animals or of snakes.
24 Therefore, God handed them over to impurity through the lusts of their hearts for the mutual degradation of their bodies. 25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and revered and worshiped the creature rather than the creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. 26 Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural, 27 and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity. 28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God handed them over to their undiscerning mind to do what is improper. 29 They are filled with every form of wickedness, evil, greed, and malice; full of envy, murder, rivalry, treachery, and spite.
2 Peter 2
2. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
4. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
5. if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
6. if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
7. and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
8. (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
9. if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
10. This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
11. yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
12. But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
13. They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
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