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Victim's girlfriend says Florida gunman provoked fatal 'stand your ground' shooting
ABC News ^ | July 2, 2018 | Karma Allen

Posted on 07/23/2018 8:14:48 AM PDT by Navy Patriot

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To: Red Badger
It has been reported down here that the ‘shooter’ has done this several times before, waits until someone parks in the handicap space and then gets out of his car and berates them for it...............

"berating" people for parking in handicapped spots is not illegal. Viciously shoving someone to the ground is.

Instead of throwing someone to the ground why didn't the assaulter call the police and say someone was harassing his GF?

81 posted on 07/23/2018 8:56:30 AM PDT by Cubs Fan (Good intentions? Most leftists would throw every one of us in Gulag if they could get away with it)
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To: MortMan

Maybe they were entitled to that space because...oppression


82 posted on 07/23/2018 8:56:39 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Don't mistake your dorm political discussions with the desires of the nation)
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To: nmmi74

Nobody was killed over a parking space.

Somebody was killed because he physically attacked another.

The only difference of opinion here is what was justified AFTER the Man was Assaulted. If he had hit his head on the pavement and died from his injury, would we be blaming the Assailant, the dead Victim of the Assault or the Parking Place?

My personal OPINION, the Victim of the Assault shouldn’t have shot his Assailant when just brandishing his Weapon seemed to have ended the threat.

Then again, I’m not the guy who just got punched and was lying on the ground fearful of further violence.

The Police and the Legal System are the ones who are tasked with sorting out the facts.

If the Shooter was a White Hispanic, this situation will really get dicey.


83 posted on 07/23/2018 8:58:05 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (The way Liberals carry on about Deportation, you would think "Mexico" was Spanish for "Auschwitz".)
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To: pnz1
"If she was afraid, why get out of the car?"

She not only got out, but she got out the instant her boyfriend comes out of the store.

This is ghetto technique to distract the guy so the other thug can get a clean run at the guy without warning. You'll find that surround and distract trick in so many Youtube ghetto mob attack videos.

If the guy didn't plug the man, both of them would have stomped him to "death or serious bodily harm."

84 posted on 07/23/2018 8:58:28 AM PDT by drpix
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To: mlo

I’m seeing it the same way. It seems pretty obvious from the tape that he didn’t have to shoot the guy. But I will also say that once you put your hands on another man in violence, you are taking a risk with your life.


85 posted on 07/23/2018 8:59:08 AM PDT by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: DoughtyOne

I have very little sympathy for the guy that allowed himself to get too angry about the parking infraction, took matters into his own hands to give the female of the two grief over it, and then objected to the male figure separating the two of them by pushing him away.

Pulling a weapon and shooting a man who pushed you away from yelling at his wife, just doesn’t seem warranted to me.


Have you watched the video? Your description of what happened does not bear much resemblance to the video I saw.


86 posted on 07/23/2018 9:00:06 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: Justa
"Well you need to call the Pinellas County District Attorney’s office immediately and explain to them why FL’s Stand You Ground law does not apply in this case."

The District Attorney hasn't made a decision.

Stand Your Ground doesn't apply because that only applies to whether someone has a duty to retreat before using otherwise justifiable deadly force in self-defense. Stand Your Ground does not refer to all aspects of self-defense, only the duty to retreat. In this case, being shoved to the ground and still on the ground, had the shooter been facing an imminent deadly threat, he would have had no duty to retreat because even in non-SYG jurisdictions you only have to retreat if you can do so safely.

But SYG does not equal "self defense". Even with SYG, self-defense still has to be justified by all the other criteria. There must be a reasonable perception of an imminent deadly threat. That's going to be hard to show here.

And the reason he hasn't been charged yet isn't SYG either. It's because Florida has a different law, Self Defense Immunity. And that one means that you can't be arrested in a case of possible self-defense until they decide to file charges.

87 posted on 07/23/2018 9:00:16 AM PDT by mlo
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To: PresidentFelon

There are two separate issues. According to the articles, the sheriff decided BOTH that the stand your ground applied, and that the shooting was justified - while also suggesting potential disagreement with laws.

The stand your ground laws doesn’t allow you to shoot, it merely allows you to not have to flee. Other laws determine whether you may shoot within the law.


88 posted on 07/23/2018 9:01:56 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Cubs Fan

“Instead of throwing someone to the ground why didn’t the assaulter call the police and say someone was harassing his GF? “

Poor bastard then would have been shot by poluce.


89 posted on 07/23/2018 9:02:07 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: nmmi74
I wonder if you would be whistling a different tune if one of your family members had been killed over a parking space.

It wasn't over a parking space. It was the result of two emotionally immature people with poor impulse control clashing with one another. The parking space issue was simply the one that got the ball rolling.

90 posted on 07/23/2018 9:02:33 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: AppyPappy
Maybe they were entitled to that space because...oppression

And entitled to viciously shove white people as well.

91 posted on 07/23/2018 9:02:36 AM PDT by Cubs Fan (Good intentions? Most leftists would throw every one of us in Gulag if they could get away with it)
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To: IC Ken
Like the old man in Florida I am getting too old to fight and will also shoot you.

Please don't shoot me, I never knowingly park in Handicapped spaces.

92 posted on 07/23/2018 9:03:21 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (America NEEDS Mob Rule, another European and Mid East World War and a universal Draft)
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To: MortMan

“justice” is the new code word for payday?


93 posted on 07/23/2018 9:04:07 AM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (HTTP 500 - Internal Server Error)
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To: pnz1

Excellent point.


94 posted on 07/23/2018 9:04:35 AM PDT by kiryandil (Never pick a fight with an angry beehive)
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To: Kickass Conservative

Such as linda, snowe, and flake to name a few.


95 posted on 07/23/2018 9:04:46 AM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (Democrats... BETRAYING America since 1828.)
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To: kiryandil

Now now ....context is irrelevant when freepers are having fun


96 posted on 07/23/2018 9:05:12 AM PDT by wardaddy (Hanged not hung.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham; Drew68
Drew68 wrote: Apparently, he was a self-appointed parking lot enforcer.

Video shows deadly shooting over parking spot at Clearwater convenience store

"Drejka is a legal concealed weapons permit holder and will not be charged because of Florida's Stand Your Ground law, according to the Pinellas County Sheriff's Office.

The store owner tells ABC Action News that Drejka has a history of assaulting people in the very parking lot the shooting took place. A man who frequents the store told ABC Action News he had a run-in with the man who opened fire just one month ago. Rich Kelly says the man picked a fight with him over a parking spot, using racial slurs, and even threatening to kill him. Now, a month later, a similar case, ending with a father killed in front of his 5-year-old son."

97 posted on 07/23/2018 9:05:29 AM PDT by kiryandil (Never pick a fight with an angry beehive)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
It wasn't over a parking space. It was the result of two emotionally immature people with poor impulse control clashing with one another. The parking space issue was simply the one that got the ball rolling.

No, it was about somebody viciously assaulting someone else.

Why are so many freepers taking their eye off the ball because THE LIBERAL MEDIA said it was about a parking space.

98 posted on 07/23/2018 9:05:39 AM PDT by Cubs Fan (Good intentions? Most leftists would throw every one of us in Gulag if they could get away with it)
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To: Kickass Conservative

A person who initiates violence, especially against a smaller and weaker party, has no valid complaint against violence used against him.

There’s an old phrase that goes: never pick on a smaller man, he will kill you. The smaller man has to fight with everything he has because the larger one is the only one in such a confrontation who can stop it anytime he chooses.


99 posted on 07/23/2018 9:06:01 AM PDT by thoughtomator (Number of arrested coup conspirators to date: 1)
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To: PSUGOP
"One, my family would never break the law by illegally parking in an handicapped spot."

But they would break the law by shooting people?

"Two, you throw me down, I shoot. The video is clear, this isn’t some guy separating two people. It was clearly an attack."

I guess so. The law doesn't justify shooting someone as the response to any "attack". It must be an imminent deadly threat. This clearly wasn't.

100 posted on 07/23/2018 9:06:28 AM PDT by mlo
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