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Calif. Supreme Court upholds law requiring bullet-tracing technology on guns
The San Franciso Chronicle ^ | 06/28/18 | Bob Egelko

Posted on 06/29/2018 6:28:49 AM PDT by Simon Green

Gun manufacturers must do their best to comply with a California law requiring new models of semiautomatic handguns to imprint their bullets with identifying micro stamps so police can trace them, the state Supreme Court ruled Thursday, rejecting the companies’ arguments that the law should be overturned because compliance is technologically impossible.

A gun-control advocate said the ruling preserves safety regulations that encourage industries to develop new technologies. A gun organization’s lawyer said the state is headed for a “slow-motion handgun ban.”

The gun law, passed in 2007, is supported by police organizations that say the stamps would help officers to determine the source of bullets found at crime scenes. It requires that new brands of semiautomatic pistols introduced for retail sale in California carry markings in two places that would imprint the gun’s model and serial number on each cartridge as it is fired.

The law didn’t take effect until 2013, when the state certified that there were no patent restrictions on the technology. But gun manufacturers have not sold any new models of semiautomatic handguns in California since then, and in 2014 a gun group sued to invalidate the law, saying its standards could never be met.

A state appellate court allowed the suit to proceed, relying on an 1872 California statute that declared, “The law never requires impossibilities.” On Thursday, however, the state’s high court dismissed the suit and said the law would remain on the books, even if it was difficult to enforce.

“Impossibility can occasionally excuse noncompliance with a statute,” Justice Goodwin Liu said, since a manufacturer charged with violating the law could argue that it had done everything possible to comply. “But impossibility does not authorize a court to go beyond interpreting a statute and simply invalidate it.”

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To: Simon Green

How is this any different from requiring people to jump through hoops to practice free speech ?


21 posted on 06/29/2018 7:00:04 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Simon Green

Gun manufacturers should cease doing any business with any government entity in California.


22 posted on 06/29/2018 7:01:41 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: Simon Green

30 seconds with a file...


23 posted on 06/29/2018 7:03:16 AM PDT by Noumenon (When all liberals have is a hammer, every problem is a nail in YOUR coffin.)
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To: Simon Green

I’m okay with the california law and hope that state confiscates guns there. Be less people shooting back in this upcoming civil war


24 posted on 06/29/2018 7:05:48 AM PDT by kjam22
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To: Simon Green

It will be overruled at SCOTUS as it violates the 2nd A, how?

The technology is not 100% or near 100% feasible or reliable. Therefore, it stands to reason that all reliable and effective ammunition would be outlawed under this California decision.

Thus, the decision attempts to defeat the meaning and intent of the 2nd Amendment.


25 posted on 06/29/2018 7:12:13 AM PDT by Hostage (Article V)
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To: NorthMountain

“Gun manufacturers should cease doing any business with any government entity in California.”

I think Barrett did after that muscle bound idiot Schwarzenegger banned the 50. The rest should follow suit.


26 posted on 06/29/2018 7:17:07 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: Simon Green

Every single gun manufacturer should refuse to do any business with any entity of California Government right down to the smallest local police or sheriffs department.

Not one more gun or spare part.

Not one.

L


27 posted on 06/29/2018 7:18:56 AM PDT by Lurker (President Trump isn't our last chance. President Trump is THEIR last chance.)
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To: Simon Green

“The gun law, passed in 2007, is supported by police organizations...”

Supported by left wing democrat hack political chiefs.


28 posted on 06/29/2018 7:19:14 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: Simon Green
And the impact of this? The law is on the books and once the technology exists, it will be required. Until then, business as usual?

On the technology side, this is an interesting concept--a microstamp on the firing pin? That puts the mark on the primer or the rim in the case of a 22LR. A very small mark.

Impact? Well, if someone doesn't police their brass, the police will and can then trace the gun. I'm not sure that I really have a problem with this for new guns once the technology exists. The challenge is that it can never apply to existing guns which makes the value limited as there are hundreds of millions of guns in circulation.

29 posted on 06/29/2018 7:35:49 AM PDT by Reno89519 (No Amnesty! No Catch-and-Release! Just Say No to All Illegal Aliens! Arrest & Deport!y)
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To: Simon Green

Gun Makers will simply stop selling new guns in California.
There are plenty of used guns to go around.


30 posted on 06/29/2018 7:36:19 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here of Citizen Parents__Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Reno89519

Besides, since barrels leave unique marks on the bullet, we’ve got traceability there. And I know some of my new guns come with fired bullet so I figure someone is likely collecting that bullet mark in a database somewhere.


31 posted on 06/29/2018 7:38:55 AM PDT by Reno89519 (No Amnesty! No Catch-and-Release! Just Say No to All Illegal Aliens! Arrest & Deport!y)
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To: Simon Green

Technology that can be easlity defeated with a small file.


32 posted on 06/29/2018 7:54:08 AM PDT by gunnut
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To: Red Badger

Revolvers are Exempted.


33 posted on 06/29/2018 8:01:25 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (UNSCANABLE in an IDIOCRACY!)
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To: Simon Green

I hope all firearms manufacturers will refuse to sell to California law enforcement. Squeeze them until they respect the Second Amendment.


34 posted on 06/29/2018 9:41:13 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: Reno89519

I’m not sure that I really have a problem with this for new guns once the technology exists.
= = =

Manufacturing headache.

Very difficult to match a numbered firing pin from one batch run with its mating parts and frame from another batch.


35 posted on 06/29/2018 9:42:36 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob (You know that I am full of /S)
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To: Simon Green
And, even if technologically possible, the impact on criminals who by and large do not acquire their guns legally, will simply have their illegal guns sourced illegally from states and counties where there is no such imprinting requirement.

Gun grabbers impact on legal gun owners, 100%, on criminals 0%.

36 posted on 06/29/2018 9:48:07 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Simon Green

If the technology is developed, how can it be proved that if a micro stamped bullet if used in the commission of a crime the gun was used by the owner? All this does is identify the gun owner, not the shooter. How many criminals buy their gun vs. stealing a legal one? But the larger question is how it impacts the Second Amendment and the role it plays in discouraging tyranny. Plus, the next logical step is gun registration by the government. We gun owners in California are in the middle of the proverbial slippery slope and I fear that there will not be a soft landing.


37 posted on 06/29/2018 9:50:36 AM PDT by vigilence (Vigilence)
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To: Reno89519
Collect a pocket full of stamped brass at the indoor range. Drop at the "crime" scene. Use a revolver so you leave nothing at the scene. The whole thing is just stupid.
38 posted on 06/29/2018 10:05:29 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: ml/nj

So they legislate the development of a non-existing, almost impossible technology for a largely non-existing problem?


39 posted on 06/29/2018 10:27:27 AM PDT by gigster (Cogito, Ergo, Ronaldus Magnus Conservatus)
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To: Reno89519

The uniqueness of the marks from the barrel has been shown to be far more dubious than presented on TV, and in many court cases. It’s more like a shoe-print, in that it is still useful, but not unique.

Further, those marks change over time.


40 posted on 06/29/2018 2:23:45 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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