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Single-payer system would improve health care economics (barf alert)
stl today ^ | April 29th 2018 | Larry Bowman

Posted on 06/18/2018 2:42:35 PM PDT by Ennis85

One of the top issues for U.S. voters is health care. There is a simple solution most of the world is smart enough to recognize but is lost on us: a single-payer system.

There are two compelling reasons for a single-payer system. The first is the moral argument that health care security is a right for all of us. The second is a little more complicated, and that is health care economics. Sadly, most Americans do not understand this aspect of the health care debate and how it adversely affects them.

Anthem announced its first-quarter profits to be $1.31 billion. The reason for the increase from the previous quarter was lower medical costs. The couple who had their claim denied for the helicopter ambulance might find this interesting as well as the numerous people who had claims for emergency room visits denied.

If you have private insurance, approximately 70 percent of the premiums go to provide health care and 30 percent go to the overhead costs of the insurance company to include profits which they enhance by denying claims like yours. If we had a single-payer system, the overhead costs would be less than 5 percent, and 95 percent would go to actual medical care. The Republican Party, which is owned by the insurance companies, calls this socialism. I call it good economics.

The advocates for insurance companies argue that we cannot pay for this. I would argue that we already are. In fact we pay double what many countries pay for less beneficial outcomes.

Finally, the Republicans passed a huge tax cut for American businesses so that we could better compete with foreign companies. Imagine how much better our companies could compete if they did not have to pay for their employees' health care insurance. Their foreign competitors don't.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: healthcare; obamacare; socialisedmedicine; univeral
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To: albertabound
I worked for a company that helped people get services and treatment .
Canadians were are most desperate and scared of there own system .
It was challenging work .
You appear to work for that system .
61 posted on 06/18/2018 3:54:35 PM PDT by ncalburt (Gop DC Globalists out themselves ever)
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To: Ennis85

Single payer without competition spells disaster.


62 posted on 06/18/2018 3:55:53 PM PDT by windsorknot
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To: Ennis85
Single-payer system would improve health care economics...yeah - that's why they instituted it in Vermont and abandoned it after six months because it was destroying their budget......
63 posted on 06/18/2018 4:08:22 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Ennis85

They don’t care they only care about costs. Health care will go into the crapper


64 posted on 06/18/2018 4:12:57 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: ncalburt

Actually, I am 77 and am being prepped for treatment of an aortic aneurism in a state of the art facility in Calgary being treated by a top notch Cardiovascular surgeon with an innovational non-invasive procedure that is not available in the USA.


65 posted on 06/18/2018 4:13:26 PM PDT by albertabound
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To: Ennis85

Even the “designers” of Obamacare knew it would fail but the “win” would be the idiotic people who support it and spread the lies of its necessity and greatness.


66 posted on 06/18/2018 4:18:18 PM PDT by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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To: Ennis85

Your health care is YOUR responsibility

NOT the doctor


67 posted on 06/18/2018 4:24:55 PM PDT by Truthoverpower (The guvmint you get is the Trump winning express !)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Provide evidence that “Canadians” wait up to 12 months for a heart operation....treatment is based on urgency...do some research before you post opinion as facts..Canada life expectancy 2017...82.2 years...USA 79.3 years..as far as heart treatment is concerned...Canadians older and skinnier...Americans younger and fatter


68 posted on 06/18/2018 4:29:46 PM PDT by albertabound
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To: Ennis85

This is the broken window fallacy, failing to take in teh hidden costs.


69 posted on 06/18/2018 4:41:40 PM PDT by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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To: Ennis85

This is the broken window fallacy, failing to take into account the hidden costs.


70 posted on 06/18/2018 4:42:05 PM PDT by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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To: albertabound
My sister’s in-law was placed on a waiting list for cancer treatments so long she had to move to the States are die.
She took the move and lived.
71 posted on 06/18/2018 4:43:25 PM PDT by ncalburt (Gop DC Globalists out themselves ever)
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To: Ennis85

Okay, let me see how Alfie Evans feels about Single Payer Medicine — oh wait, the British Medicine Board MURDERED him...


72 posted on 06/18/2018 4:51:31 PM PDT by ConservaTeen (Islam is Not the Religion of Peace, but The religion of Pedophilia...)
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To: ncalburt

https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/04/canada-single-payer-health-care-system-failures-cautionary-tale/

The most telling of the Canadian system in the article:

“According to Don Drummond, an economist appointed by Ontario’s Liberal government to help fix its finances, Canada’s largest province is projected to see health-care costs soar to the point where they will consume 80 percent of the entire provincial budget by 2030, up from 46 percent in 2010.”

Unlike the rosy picture Single Payer advocates paint, actual economics still applies. A free market will give you the best price or a service. Everyone that says differently is wrong, and if they are an economist, they are lying.

I found the initial analysis incredible (wrong) when they talked about overhead savings. Socialism always packs in the overhead, not the actual service. Socialism does not work as well as a free market, same as above.

DK


73 posted on 06/18/2018 5:01:21 PM PDT by Dark Knight
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To: windsorknot

Based on what evidence or are you just rendering your opinion......


74 posted on 06/18/2018 5:20:12 PM PDT by albertabound
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To: Ennis85

Sure...the Soviet model is always the most efficient.


75 posted on 06/18/2018 5:21:37 PM PDT by gogeo (No justice, no peace.)
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To: ilgipper

What? Aren’t you saving $200 a year? :-)


76 posted on 06/18/2018 5:33:57 PM PDT by ps425dc
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To: Ennis85

Screw the thieving, fascist health insurance companies. Make people pay for healthcare out of their pockets, and healthcare costs will fall 90% overnight. Make these thieving quacks and hospitals post their prices for every procedure. Capitalism will fix high prices.

I pay cash for healthcare, and the leftist-controlled hospitals charge me 200 to 400% more than they charge patients with insurance. Leftist hospitals and leftist insurance companies work hand-in-hand to destroy the middle class.


77 posted on 06/18/2018 5:39:06 PM PDT by sergeantdave (Teach a man to fish and he'll steal your gear and sell it)
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To: donna

Support what? That the OP posted a “barf alert”? That it is a good idea to understand the arguments given in support of SP? How can you counter an argument if you don’t know the argument? How can you pick apart their errors unless you have examined the issue in detail? You need to learn how to comprehend what people write.


78 posted on 06/18/2018 6:32:55 PM PDT by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: Ennis85

Sure it would,now get list moron.


79 posted on 06/18/2018 6:53:42 PM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: lastchance
How can you counter an argument if you don’t know the argument?

What did you learned, of value, from this thread?

80 posted on 06/18/2018 7:01:51 PM PDT by donna (Maricopa County, AZ: 22 percent of felons are illegal aliens)
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