Posted on 06/08/2018 10:10:32 AM PDT by Mariner
President Trump said he likely will support a congressional effort to end the federal ban on marijuana, a major step that would reshape the pot industry and end the threat of a Justice Department crackdown.
Trump’s remarks put him sharply at odds with Atty. Gen. Jeff Sessions on the issue. The bill in question, pushed by a bipartisan coalition, would allow states to go forward with legalization unencumbered by threats of federal prosecution.
Trump made his comments to a gaggle of reporters Friday morning just before he boarded a helicopter on his way to the G-7 summit in Canada. His remarks came the day after the bipartisan group of lawmakers proposed their measure.
One of the lead sponsors is Sen. Cory Gardner (R-Colo.), who is aligned with Trump on several issues but recently has tangled with the administration over the Justice Department’s threatened crackdowns on marijuana.
“I support Sen. Gardner,” Trump said when asked about the bill. “I know exactly what he’s doing. We’re looking at it. But I probably will end up supporting that, yes.”
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That's an incredibly weak reason to argue for continued prohibition.
Just because something is legal, doesn't mean everyone is going to do it. I've never even bothered filling the Vicodin I was prescribed after numerous medical procedures. I use 800 mg Motrin. That takes care of the pain.
Why would I turn down the legal opportunity to use opiates? Simple. I don't like how they make me feel.
Legalize heroin tomorrow and I doubt we're going to be inundated with junkies. It'll mostly just be the same people already using heroin.
Former Los Angeles Police Chief and drug warrior Obergruppenführer Daryl Gates opined that there was nothing more dangerous than the moderate drug user who imbibed socially, yet led normal, productive lives. They were treasonous to the official message that all drug use is always ruinous. "Casual drug users ought to be taken out and shot." Gates is quoted at a U.S. Senate hearing in 1990.
Excellent observation.
I make it a point to only use my personal experience with cannabis to describe how it’s helped me. I never suggest that anyone should or should not use cannabis. That’s not a decision for me to make for someone else.
I just know for myself & many other people I know & have known in 57 short years of life cannabis is a wonderful medicine & one everyone should research & consider if pharmaceutical medicines aren’t doing the job.
“But I suppose you have watched a lot of situation comedies, movies, and other MSM shows that have made you into an expert.”
No, I actually study the published data. That’s how I knew what you were spouting was BS. It’s apparent you have a sitcom going on in your head.
That makes it OK to violate the Constitution? If they think that, they're no conservatives.
If you believe that[,] then insist all the Constitution be fully enforced[;] that will then let all of it be interpreted by 1 or 2 Black Robed kings.
(Punctuation is our friend. ;D)
The problems with the black-robed kings are largely:
It is certainly true that part of our long march back to true constitutionalism must be to at some point rein in judicial activism - but we don't have to wait for that to rein in the congressional Leviathan.
The reason the Constitution isn't protecting us is exactly what John Adams stated. [...] we have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
Democratic tyranny of the majority (Adams' coinage, BTW) is no help for marijuana criminalizers; it's exactly the democratic process that is legalizing in more and more states, while polls show ever-growing support for legalization. So if not the Constitution, what's your plan?
Evidence?
Which legalizing state has no rules about marijuana?
Former Los Angeles Police Chief and drug warrior Obergruppenführer Daryl Gates opined that there was nothing more dangerous than the moderate drug user who imbibed socially, yet led normal, productive lives. They were treasonous to the official message that all drug use is always ruinous. “Casual drug users ought to be taken out and shot.” Gates is quoted at a U.S. Senate hearing in 1990.
Hahaha!
Obviously opinions vary. :)
The Constitution is the not only the best plan it is the only plan. My contention is the Constitution can not restore itself because it has no power to do so, if it did, it would not have allowed itself to be abrogated.
Wiser heads than mine will have to come up with a plan to restore it because the only way I can see that happening is for a good king to do it. Maybe if you had Trump supporters in the leadership positions of the party, they could make real progress in restoring the Constitution but the current leadership seems determined to destroy Trump and any like minded politicians.
When I engage people in political discussions I am rarely encouraged to believe that the average voter has a clue what has happened to this country in the space of two decades.
“If a nation expects to be ignorant and free . . . it expects what never was and never will be.”
Thomas Jefferson
polls show ever-growing support for legalization.
I believe that method gave us Barabbas.
I had a friend from Texas when I was in the Army (1957), he often told me he wasn't hard to please at all, "just give me what I want." Seems many today have a like attitude.
The constitution has allowed itself to be totally destroyed if the population so chooses. That is the real danger of changing the demographic of the population as we have been doing, since Kennedy conned Reagan into a one time amnesty.
I’ve yet to read a valid/factual article regarding anything resembling a pot overdose. I’ve smoked pot since my days in Vietnam and have never known anyone to have any adverse reaction other than the urge to eat an entire box of Oreo’s.
What you said!!! Sadly a lot of folks like to quote the hearsay and not the facts . . .
That makes it OK to violate the Constitution? If they think that, they're no conservatives.
The reason the Constitution isn't protecting us is exactly what John Adams stated. [...] we have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
Democratic tyranny of the majority (Adams' coinage, BTW) is no help for marijuana criminalizers; it's exactly the democratic process that is legalizing in more and more states, while polls show ever-growing support for legalization.
I believe that method gave us Barabbas.
I'm not a supporter of tyranny of the majority.
So if not the Constitution, what's your plan?
My contention is the Constitution can not restore itself because it has no power to do so, if it did, it would not have allowed itself to be abrogated.
Wiser heads than mine will have to come up with a plan to restore it
I hear that. But the way we won't restore it is by acquiescing to certain violations of the Constitution (federal meddling in state marijuana policy) for fear that otherwise other violations (welfare) will grow in magnitude.
I will say in passing that in reining in judicial activism, Article III Section 2 paragraph 2 could be useful.
Watched a program on TV the other day, called Drugs, Inc. It has several one hour shows concerning drugs, even have the people selling them showing how it is done. They cover their faces with masks, etc. They were doing one on Seattle and all the results of their liberal policies on people, illegals, drugs, selling drugs, etc. The Cops were in their cars, and filmed sitting there watching street sellers doing their business with people on the corner and the cops did nothing. They told how the cops simply will not bother the sellers or buyers of ANY drug. It was very telling on Seattle’s many problems now with drugs, and how the Mexican cartels have moved in fast when they heard how easy it was to make, use and sell crack, marihuana, cocaine, meth, you name it. They showed a guy cooking his cookies and then cutting them up and going down on the street and openly selling the crack. Showed people buying and selling in Pioneer Square, directly across from the King County Court House.
Yet WA has a low death rate from ODs compared to most other states. It also had one of the smallest increases between 2010 and 2016
Compare that to prohibition states like OH and WV. It must be even easier to sell drugs in those states.
See CDC chart => http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3661598/posts?page=253#253
I have decades of real world experience. As I said in my first post to you... I started out believing exactly what you currently believe. I have absolutely no reason to lie about it. But I feel like a Cassandra whenever I get into this type of discussion. If you think believe all the pro-marijuana propaganda you managed to dig up is equivalent to decades of real world experience then you someday will find out what a fool that you have been.
As I was heading into a store in Auburn, WA about a month ago... a big black man came running out with a bag full of merchandise that he hadn't paid for with clerks chasing after him. He shoved one of the clerks. She fell down and the rest gave up. I got in my car and followed him. A couple blocks away there was a parked police car. I went up to the car and pointed the guy out to the police officer who was typing on his phone. He said, “Can't you see that I am busy right now?” “I don't have time to chase after a shoplifter.”
And yes, the police do basically absolutely nothing about people smoking pot while driving their cars, drug dealing or just about anything else in this area.
But I suppose you have watched a lot of situation comedies, movies, and other MSM shows that have made you into an expert.
I have used marijuana, and my life was not ravaged.
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