Posted on 06/04/2018 9:25:52 AM PDT by SkyPilot
Participants attending the World Meeting of Families in August can be forgiven their sins or help a relative speed through purgatory.
Pope Francis has granted a "plenary indulgence" for those taking part.
In Catholic doctrine an indulgence frees you from being punished for your previously committed sins or it can be passed on to dead relatives to shorten their time in purgatory.
Even those following events on TV and radio can achieve a partial indulgence as long as they recite the Our Father, the Creed and other devout prayers.
Martin Luther's opposition to the sale of indulgences was one of the main causes of the Protestant Reformation in the 16th Century.
The Sacred Apostolic Penitentiary, the Vatican body dealing with forgiveness of sins, said pilgrims would have to attend confession and Mass, pray for the Pope's intentions and participate in some function during the five-day event.
The use of indulgences in Catholicism is a tradition that goes back to the Crusades in the 11th Century.
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Ridiculous. And I am Catholic.
Indulgences never found in Scripture, nor a power given to anyone in the NT, nor is “pope” a NT office.
You have to understand that a lot of Catholic doctrine evolved not with an eye towards Biblical truth, but of keeping the Vatican in control of the flock. That is why Catholics were actively discouraged from reading the Bible for themselves until relatively recent times.
This Deep State model goes back more than a millennia.
Robert Mueller and the boys did not suddenly invent it in 2016.
The indulgence scam allowed them to raise enough revenue from the faithful to build the Sistene Chapel and commission a host of other artistic treasures.
This Pope!
That photo reveals a great deal, for those who have eyes to see.
So... how much is it to get a certain sin committed a few decades ago indulged? Does the Pope take Visa? Is there a surcharge if you’re Methodist? How about state sales tax or EU VAT tax? Do AARP members get a senior discount? And how long does this all take? I’m not getting any younger, you know.
Indulgences: not in the bible.
Thanks for an honest question. Really. On this forum it's kinda-like refreshing. Let's see if I can make sense of this without taking up too much bandwidth.
The Bible says there are three parts to repentance: (1) contrition, (2) confession, and (3) bringing forth fruits worthy of repentance. It's the third part --- not #1 and #2 --- that is related to indulgences, which the Catholic Church also calls "satisfaction". Some Bible translations use the phrases “do penance” or the word “penance” where other use “repent” and “repentance” but the meaning is the same: it means to "make satisfaction" for sin.
This was addressed by St. Paul to the Colossians --- believing Christians who lived in Colossae ---in the 50s while Paul was in prison. Notice that this is very early, and that its audience was forgiven sinners (believers) and yet that Paul says there will be repayment for "anyone" and "no favoritism."
You are forgiven (your eternal relationship to Almighty God is intact). You are fully in His good will. But wrongs still have to be paid for.
Wait--- what? Didn't Jesus pay it all by dying for us?
Yes, because He won for us what we could never-in-a-million-years have won for ourselves: life eternal! But it's to these saved people that Paul says "wrongs have to be paid for." He is NOT talking about eternal consequences (that's been paid in full). He's talking about temporal consequences.
Why? Because
He confesses his sin to his Dad. And he gets his answer: "Yes." But although the kid is truly sorry he did it and Dad forgives him (he hasn't disowned you, his wrath is turned away, in fact, you are back in his strong hug!) the car is still wrecked and you still have a broken leg.
You have repented, you have confessed, (thus you are forgiven) --- you feel great peace over that --- but that third thing, "bringing forth fruits worthy of repentance," still has to be done.
In this case, it probably means some painful rehab for the leg, and some payback to get the car repaired.
That's what a "penance" is for and that's what an "indulgence" is for.
This is about rehabbing your soul and restoring the balance of justice.
I am just trying to make that those two preliminary points, for now.
This is quite incomplete. It's Part 1. I'm sure you have more questions. If you want to ask them, I could go on to Part 2.
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Nonsense and not Scriptural.
If the blood of Christ is insufficient to cleanse you of all sins...then there remains nothing for forgiveness of sins.
"Anyone who does wrong will be repaid for their wrongs, and there is no favoritism." (Colossians 3:25)
If you sin...you incur the consequences of that sin on earth [as examples..you steal and get caught you go to jail....you have an affair and contract a STD..]...however, you are forgiven of that sin through His blood.
There is nothing you can do for your sin that equals the shed blood of Christ.
Again....not a NT concept or teaching.
If you sin...you incur the consequences of that sin on earth [as examples..you steal and get caught you go to jail....you have an affair and contract a STD..]...however, you are forgiven of that sin through His blood.
There is nothing you can do for your sin that equals the shed blood of Christ.
That's what yuou wrote, and I agree with that. And the Cathlic Church agrees with that.
Which you will see if you will re-read what I actually wrote.
Indulgences have nothing to do with the forgiveness of sins. They also have nothing to do with your salvation per se.
Really? They’re still doing that?
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*Sigh* Yep.
The only thing that the Reformation changed in Roman Catholicism was that they don’t SELL indulgences any more... publicly.
Thanks for the explanation...
“This is about rehabbing your soul and restoring the balance of justice.”
We are powerless to rehab our souls, we are born into sin and have come up short and are as filthy rags...
The “balance of justice” concept is silliness, we cannot justify anything because we are powerless to be just. Only GOD is just...
If the Pope really can free everyone from Purgatory, then WHY doesn’t he just do so out of love and mercy!?
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