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Pope's reported comment to a gay man may indicate a new level of acceptance of homosexuality
LA Times ^ | 21 May 2018 | By TOM KINGTON

Posted on 05/21/2018 7:35:39 AM PDT by mandaladon

Pope Francis has reportedly told a gay man that "God made you that way and loves you as you are," apparently pushing the pontiff's acceptance of homosexuality to a new level.

Francis made the comments to Juan Carlos Cruz, a Chilean victim of priestly sexual abuse who recently spent days with the pope at the Vatican to discuss his ordeal as the pontiff moves to tackle decades of coverups and ostracism of victims in the Chilean church, according to the Spanish newspaper El Pais.

Cruz was quoted as having discussed his homosexuality with Francis. "He told me: 'Juan Carlos, I don't care about you being gay. God made you that way and loves you as you are and I don't mind. The pope loves you as you are, you have to be happy with who you are.' "

A spokesman at the Vatican on Sunday declined to confirm or deny Francis' comments, stating, "We don't normally comment on the pope's private conversations."

In 2013, Francis famously said, "If someone is gay and seeks the Lord with goodwill, who am I to judge?" when asked for his views on homosexuality, signaling a sea change in Catholic views on sexual orientation.

That year he also told an interviewer, "A person once asked me, in a provocative manner, if I approved of homosexuality," adding, "I replied with another question: 'Tell me: When God looks at a gay person, does he endorse the existence of this person with love, or reject and condemn this person?' "

His reported remarks based on Cruz's account go further, however, by suggesting he believes people are created gay by God — a position likely to anger Catholic conservatives.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


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To: DoodleDawg; onedoug

“So what should the Pope have said? God hates you because you are gay?”

I suggest, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God has come near. Repent and believe the good news!”

“Repent and be baptized, each of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and for your children, and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call.” With many other words [Peter] testified and strongly urged them, saying, “Be saved from this corrupt generation!”

“There is no one righteous, not even one.

There is no one who understands;
there is no one who seeks God.
All have turned away;
all alike have become worthless.
There is no one who does what is good....

... For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. [We] are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.”

There is no salvation without repentance. ALL have sinned. ALL need to repent. Homosexuality isn’t a special sin, but it remains sin.


81 posted on 05/21/2018 9:46:37 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: Celtic Conservative

The Vicar of another Christ Makes Gods word out to be abrogated. Am I missing something?


82 posted on 05/21/2018 9:47:10 AM PDT by the_daug
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To: moovova

lol


83 posted on 05/21/2018 9:48:32 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: DoodleDawg

Not surprised that you’re very thin on understanding of Christian theology as well. The answer is God loves you and wants to protect you from harm, homosexual behavior is harmful, physically and spiritually. If you cannot marry a member of the opposite sex then you’re called to remain celibate and forego sexual activity.


84 posted on 05/21/2018 9:51:53 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: DEPcom; SkyPilot; Roman_War_Criminal; metmom; Mom MD; Lera; 444Flyer; firebrand; Maudeen; ...

Read Revelation chapter 13. There will eventually be a second beast, a religious beast. He arises just after the first beast. Some of us call that man the Antichrist.

Some of us refer to that second man as the False Prophet. Francis is well on his way to making that happen.


85 posted on 05/21/2018 9:52:18 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: chuckles

[In Revelation he is called the False Prophet. He will be the side kick of the Beast.]

Thank you.


86 posted on 05/21/2018 9:53:06 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: mandaladon
What the Catechism of the Catholic Church (LINK) says about homosexuality

Chastity and homosexuality

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

The Pope's job is to uphold, explain, and insist upon these truths.

To the extent that he contradicts this, he is placing himself outside of the teaching and practice of Catholicism.

87 posted on 05/21/2018 9:53:53 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (They said what's up is down, they said what isn't is, they put ideas in his head he thought were his)
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To: mandaladon

Excuse me pope - people look up to you for guidance. There’s a difference between “being the judge and ordering execution” and providing some judgement on homosexuality and the consequences in engaging in the behavior.


88 posted on 05/21/2018 9:56:13 AM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: HamiltonJay

“God makes us all... that doesn’t mean he agrees with the decisions or actions we take.”

Good point, he created Lucifer.


89 posted on 05/21/2018 10:01:37 AM PDT by Amish with an attitude
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To: Gay State Conservative

It may be Cardinal Sarah.


90 posted on 05/21/2018 10:36:12 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: DoodleDawg

You’re not really that unsophisticated, are you?


91 posted on 05/21/2018 10:36:30 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Amish with an attitude

As per Isaiah 14.


92 posted on 05/21/2018 10:38:08 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: the_daug

Nope, you’re up to date. We have an anti-pope.

CC


93 posted on 05/21/2018 10:57:04 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (Do you know what really burns my ass? A flame about 3 feet high.)
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To: ealgeone
Recommend you start with Romans 1 and work your way up to that chapter. Context is your key to properly understanding the New Testament.

Nah let's cut to the chase and you tell me what Paul really meant.

94 posted on 05/21/2018 10:59:38 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: onedoug
You’re not really that unsophisticated, are you?

Are you that narrow-minded?

95 posted on 05/21/2018 11:01:35 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: RegulatorCountry
The answer is God loves you and wants to protect you from harm, homosexual behavior is harmful, physically and spiritually. If you cannot marry a member of the opposite sex then you’re called to remain celibate and forego sexual activity.

The Pope doesn't need to. He has you.

96 posted on 05/21/2018 11:02:55 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: mandaladon

Well a faggot priest who was himself likely molested raped this guy as a boy. The Catholic Church is a mess right now


97 posted on 05/21/2018 11:13:12 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Rebelbase
Thank you! Finally some backup. I have been posting here for quite some time about the Whore of Babylon trying to get some real study from the RCC. They have attacked me as catholic bashing, but never really said anything except "Your a Protestant so your are wrong". Nothing seems to get them to read history and the Scriptures. The whole religion came from Nimrod( the first type and shadow of the Antichrist), Semiramis, his wife, Tammuz, their son that was the supposed reincarnated Nimrod and their daughter, Thyatira. The RCC was born from paganism in the 4th century under Constantine. The religion of Babylon was far from new. Ezekiel 8 speaks of weeping for Tammuz in the Temple and a morning service to the sun god with their backs towards the Temple. God calls it an abomination. Easter and Christmas are pagan days brought to Christianity to please the pagans that were forced to change under Roman rule. Peter was never a pope as there are no popes, cardinal, or nuns in Scripture. Forbidding to marry is a doctrine of demons. James, the brother of Jesus, ran the church after Jesus ascended.

All this is historically provable, but in order to keep the myth of the RCC alive, the RCC just calls names instead of reading their Bibles. They aren't even allowed to read a Bible unless someone in the RCC explains it to them in the spin of the RCC.

Catholics think that I hate them, but that is far from the truth. All I ask is that they wake up before it's too late. Even God calls them to "Come out of Her" in Revelation 18:4. They are doing good works and have much to point to as "Treasure in Heaven", but it won't matter if their loyalty is to Babylon and it's pagan practices. How on earth they can pray to statues and say they don't worship idols is beyond me. How they can pray to dead people instead of the sole Mediator, Jesus, is beyond me. They have explained it to me 100 times and they still can't hear what they are saying is anti Biblical. If Mary was sinless, why not just sacrifice her for sin and save Jesus? The Queen of heaven and the Mother of God were both names for Semiramis. The evidence is everywhere.

The reality of Scripture shows we should be worshiping more like a Messianic Jew than a pagan Caesar. If we are to follow Jesus, it would require looking more like what Jesus did while on Earth. He worshiped in Jerusalem, not Rome. He followed the Leviticus Feast days, not pagan ones. We worshiped on the Sabbath, not Sunday, named after the Sun god. He has nothing to do with eggs, rabbits, Santa, and other pagan icons. The days are listed in Lev 23 and are written as God's Feast days. They belong to Him and speak of Jesus. If you are looking at Easter and Christmas, will you miss His Rapture of the saints on Trumpets? Jesus Himself said to "Watch" or He would come as a thief in the night. The only Revelation church promised to avoid the Tribulation that is coming is the church of Philadelphia.

Just as an aside, I've heard that the RCC believes Revelation already happened in 70 AD. It was written around 90+- AD. A prophesy is not a prophesy if it's written after the fact. Do they believe in the Rapture. Thessalonians clearly speaks of it. Enoch was Raptured, Ezekiel was Raptured, why not the church Bride. If our Bridegroom loves us, would he leave us behind to suffer the Beast? Noah was put in the Ark while God's indignation was dealt out. Lot was removed while Sodom burned.

My reasoning behind bringing the truth to Catholics is over love. I would do the same for Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, ect. How far are they willing to follow a man that clearly is NOT lead by God? In Revelation 17:6, John marveled at the Harlot drunk with the blood of the saints. The angel answered him with "Why do you marvel?" The RCC has murdered more Christians than Muslims, Hindu's, pagan's of all stripes, or any other of 1000 religions put together. They have followed popes that are 12 years old, bastard children of other popes, popes that bought their position, and sexual deviants, yet they act like they have been chosen by God.

I know these words strike up anger in Catholics, but we are talking about eternal things here. At least do a study of what was said here to see if it's true. To listen to 12th century writers from the RCC would be like reading the writing's of Hillary in the 2016 election. They will always insist that they are right and we just don't have the secret knowledge and interpretation that they have.

Just starting from square one, if you follow this pope down this road, you have no idea where this is going. Romans 1:32 lists a bunch of sins beforehand and then explains that if you approve of them, you are as guilty as those that practice such things. many women say they would never have an abortion themselves, but they don't want to block abortions for other women. They are just as guilty as the woman that has the abortion. If the official line of the RCC is going to be sodomy is OK, then You will be guilty of following the same. Don't have these sins accounted to you by following a false religion. Follow the Bible only! Denominations are the traditions of men. You can follow God or the traditions of men, but not both. You will love the one and hate the other. God must come first before the RCC, the pope, or your priest. There is a pure religion. it is called the worship of God. The real God,.... the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. There were no popes, cardinals, or nuns, then, just God and His people.

98 posted on 05/21/2018 11:17:44 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: DoodleDawg

I have no need of a Pope. For those who do, this one is clearly apostate at best.

Like you.


99 posted on 05/21/2018 11:31:14 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry
I have no need of a Pope. For those who do, this one is clearly apostate at best.

You have no need for him yet you are concerned with what he says and you feel free to judge him. Make up your mind.

100 posted on 05/21/2018 11:39:19 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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