Posted on 04/23/2018 6:27:44 AM PDT by Kaslin
In a piece for The Federalist entitled, “It’s Time For The United States To Divorce Before Things Get Dangerous,” writer and former Marine corp combat veteran Jesse Kelly ruffled more than a few feathers with his contention that the time for the United States as a united nation may be nearing an inevitable end.
Comparing the Left and Right in America to “the couple screaming at each other all night, every night as the kids hide in their room,” Kelly cites a congenial divorce as the best option for a country that’s “hopelessly divided” on seemingly every important issue. He even tweeted a helpful accompanying map with a hand-drawn red line ceding the Left coast and the northern states to the liberal governance they deserve.
In his piece, Kelly cites issues from gun control to border security, issues that, while both sides hopelessly disagree, will soon prompt increasingly intolerant Leftists to “start coming for the careers (and lives) of any normal American who sees things differently.”
“We both now agree that living under the other side’s value system is wholly unacceptable,” writes Kelly. “The most peaceful solution we Americans can hope for now is to go our separate ways. So let us come together one last time and agree on one thing: Irreconcilable differences.”
Naturally, Kelly’s idea drew quite a lot of criticism. HotAir’s Jazz Shaw pondered the legality, logistics and workability of such a proposal, but didn’t seem to take a lot of issue with the underlying inevitability.
CNN commentator Sally Kohn took him on when Kelly’s controversial piece earned him an appearance on HLN’s S.E. Cupp Unfiltered. “I’m sure we could find plenty to disagree about, but I actually think there’s quite a lot we could agree on,” said Kohn, citing values like “unity, but also free speech, free assembly, freedom of religion” as well as “the idea that we should all be able to live up to our God-given full potential.”
Except, liberals don’t believe in free speech, much less free assembly. And they don’t really believe in freedom of religion either, at least if you’re a Christian. And that “God” in “God-given?” Are you serious, Kohn?
California State Controller candidate Konstantinos Roditis penned a rebuttal of Kelly’s argument from the right, arguing for a return to real federalism instead of creating more countries. “Jesse, it’s not time for a divorce,” writes Roditis. “It’s time we rise up and take our country back and finally break the shackles of overbearing centralized government and go back to our roots of self-government and self-determination.”
Sounds great, in theory. Let’s ‘take our country back’ and establish REAL small government! Problem is, on what planet will liberals with an already burgeoning near-supermajority possibly allow something like this? After all, Big Government is how these people get stuff done.
While the non-legal arguments against Kelly’s hypothesis seem pretty weak, they say little about what would be best for all parties involved. To a kid who grew up in the 80’s, before unadulterated political correctness infested America’s schools, “Manifest Destiny,” the idea that our settlers were destined to spread all the way from the Atlantic to the Pacific, seemed more common sense and a source of pride to me than controversial and worthy of shame. And even now, the idea of America splitting up pulls at the heartstrings just a little.
But let’s face it, America will never again be the America we grew up in. Progressivism has ruined it, and likely beyond repair. Beyond the idea of a nation spreading its wings and conquering the wilderness is that of self-governance, of people being free to live in the kind of place, and under the kind of government, of their choosing, whether what they choose is limited, Constitutional government or utter liberal lunacy.
To Roditis’ point, the states were supposed to be the vehicle for that, under a limited federal government, but we all know how THAT turned out. If we aren’t going to do federalism right, perhaps divorce is the only way forward.
Interestingly, Bill Hammond tweeted a link to both Kelly’s Federalist piece and a Medium article entitled “The Great Lesson of California in America’s New Civil War” from the Left under the caption “These two articles should be hate-read in tandem.” In the Medium piece, Peter Leyden cites California’s example as the way forward for a divisive America. Except, rather than let conservatives pave their own way as Kelly would, Leyden wants to establish “Democratic, progressive supermajorities” in the rest of America.
In other words - tyranny. And make no mistake, if liberals seize control via supermajorities, and they aren’t all that far off, tyranny is how they enact their insane, unworkable policies on the rest of us. Because from Soviet Russia to Communist China and socialist Venezuela, that’s what always happens when Leftists have unadulterated power.
Granted, the idea of bringing up an issue that was seemingly settled over 150 years ago might be quick to dismiss, but in an era when people can’t even agree on whether Donald Trump is a real person or the actual, physical spawn of Satan, how can we possibly reach a consensus on anything? Which means that whatever we do, half the country isn’t just going to be unhappy, they’ll be apoplectic.
And these days, the idea isn’t just coming from the Right. The Calexit movement would secede California from the United States entirely, and it’s more financed and organized than you might think. Perhaps it’s time to give them what they want.
“[Conservatives’ reasons for splitting] would be a major cultural shift toward the left and half the country refusing to go along with tyranny,” writes Kelly. Liberals’ reasons might be a desire to run things their own way without the adults in the room interfering. But either way, the way I see it there are three possibilities for America’s future - unrest, tyranny, or divorce.
We’re already seeing the unrest, and it’s happening on a massive scale as liberals #Resist literally every move President Trump makes.
Should these jackals eventually get their “permanent Democratic majority,” we’ll certainly see the tyranny.
Which leaves the one other option, that put forward in Kelly’s controversial piece. Sure, it won’t be this year, or this decade, or probably even in my lifetime, but its eventual inevitability seems as ‘destined’ as America’s historic expansion to the Pacific.
See my post # 44....
In an earlier post I meant to say “Three NORTHERN New England states.” I left out the “Northern” part.
My bad, as the college kids like to say.
“Hope you like Canada (I do).”
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I don’t. I’m an American, not a Canadian, so I’ll pass on that.
Candidate Trump and his family spent a lot of time in Maine’s 2nd Congressional District, and won the district by 10 points.
Maine, like Nebraska, splits it’s electoral votes by congressional district. Nebraska has three congressional districts and Maine has only two.
Trump received one Electoral vote for carrying the 2nd District, which covers 80% of the state and, in area, is the largest congressional district east of the Mississippi.
Hildabeast Rotten Criminal won Maine’s more liberal (and more heavily populated) First CD, giving her one Electoral vote. She narrowly won the statewide vote by 2.9% (because of the more heavily populated First CD), giving her two more electoral votes.
Have CD 1 in Maine join Massachusetts and 80% of the state would be as red as a ripe apple.
What happens to the lib area in a state like Texas? Austin (Berkeley on the Prairie), Houston, Dallas, El Paso, the counties in the Rio Grande Valley?
And the Japanese were just short, buck-toothed, bespectacled,bafoons....
And the Germans were just portly, liederhosen, beer swilling, autocrats with no sense of humor...
And the Vietnamese were just tire-sandaled, straw hat wearing water buffalo drivers...
And islam is the religion of peace....
And....
And....
“we live in a society that allows perverts easy access to children”
They can be teachers, foster and adoptive parents, as well as pay for women to carry a child, which is essentially treating the women and babies as property to be bought and sold. In fact, Planned Parenthood literally sells baby body parts.
It is no longer about defending liberty. It is about reclaiming it.
We can’t get rid of all libs. I was thinking by doing it county, the Dems could keep much of New Mexico, a corridor of Southern Arizona and the Rio Grande Valley, connected to coastal California-Las Vegas-Western Washington-Western Oregon. But I can’t imagine a corridor to include Maine’s 2nd, which I am very aware of, inasmuch as it’s on the way to Canada. (And itself is very much worth the visit!)
I think you are ignoring the demographic wave that the Dems have engineered to create a permanent majority. It's already happened, it will just take time to manifest. 15 million illegal aliens will have 45 million legal kids, all Latinos who vote majority Democrat.
Texas isn't immune to this, they just think they are. They are in for a rude awakening as Texas turns purple, and then blue.
At which point it becomes very hard for the GOP to construct a map with enough electoral votes to win the Presidency.
Without at least intermittent control of the Presidency the courts drift ever leftward, and our rights are whittled away, including the second Amendment.
This is all baked in already. "Demographics is destiny". Short of mass expulsions, we're gonna be a very different country by the time I die. (I'm 60, so next 25 years, roughtly.)
If the conservative remnant doesn't find a defensible outpost for themselves we will be routed. It may not be as bad as South Africa, but it may be that bad. (Remember, the South Africans never enslaved anyone. The Apartheid system essentially kept black Africans as guest workers, in the end that was a huge failure mode.
Now whites are a hated minority in their own country.
It may not get that bad, but for sure we will have to accept political indoctrination, dis-armament, speech restrictions, science restrictions (like study of genetics and intelligence), "Queer" everything all the time, etc.
You can look around and see what they want. You can go to San Francisco or Chicago and see what it results in.
There is no serious plan to stop eventually Lefist victory in either politics, or the culture wars.
That map doesn’t make sense. It is not a good breakdown.
Wikipedia: New England
New England is a geographical region comprising six states of the northeastern United States: Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and Connecticut.
The three Southern New England states are all hard-tard.
Q said Hillary was being placed under house arrest one weekend in November.
She is in Austrailia giving speeches this month.
Q said that the Hillary tape was going to be released in March, it's almost May, you seen the tape?
Q is not a reliable source, to put it mildly.
But the good news: I didn’t realize how well Trump did in upstate New York. We’d have to claim part of Vermont, which won’t go over well with the natives... but screw’em. Maine’s nice.
That plus a wall. A big beautiful wall.
Your opinion is shared by many. A small and lean government would leave the corruption with no where to hide and it could be exposed easily. The swamp will never allow it.
Either stay out of the way of the sheepdogs or always make sure to carry treat in their pocket. :>)
Most excellent.
Yes, there are an almost infinite number of variables which one reason I just did a straight "what if" based on numbers.
But who is to say if the ratio would be less or more today?
On one hand we do have far, far superior medical care which would greatly reduce deaths among the wounded.
On the other hand the advances in lethal weaponry are just as great, if not more so.
The killing power of a modern day squad equipped with automatic weapons, explosives and communications backed up by air power
no doubt exceeds that of multiple battalions 160 years ago.
Either way, the muslim hordes and others would love to watch Americans killing Americans by the thousands.
tyranny....
Thank you. ;-)
We shall see.
That was a typo on my part.
As I explained in my post # 44, I meant to say the three Northern New England states, i.e., Maine, New Hampshire and Vermont. I left out the “Northern” part. Hence the confusion.
Massachusetts....Connecticut....Rhode Island.... like you said, hard-tard.
Although I do hear commercials on a conservative talk radio show broadcast out of Boston for Cape Gun Works on Cape Cod. A shooting range and gun store on Cape Cod.
I have relatives in Massachusetts who have lived there all their lives and most of them are die-hard conservatives and Trump supporters.
New York City and it’s huge numbers of voters skew the results for New York State in elections. Upstate New York would be a red state without New York City.
There are a lot of Republicans on Long Island. My late uncle was Republican party official when I was a kid.
Most of my relatives on Long Island and in the city voted for Trump. Not all of them, but most of them.
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