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The Supreme Court just handed the Trump administration a loss on immigration — and Gorsuch
AP ^ | 4/17/18 | AP

Posted on 04/17/2018 8:03:55 AM PDT by BOARn

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court said Tuesday that part of a federal law that makes it easier to deport immigrants who have been convicted of crimes is too vague to be enforced.

The court's 5-4 decision concerns a provision of immigration law that defines a "crime of violence." Conviction for a crime of violence subjects an immigrant to deportation and usually speeds up the process.

A federal appeals court in San Francisco previously struck down the provision as too vague, and on Monday the Supreme Court agreed. The appeals court based its ruling on a 2015 Supreme Court decision that struck down a similarly worded part of another federal law that imposes longer prison sentences on repeat criminals.

Justice Elena Kagan wrote that the 2015 decision "tells us how to resolve this case."

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; california; elenakagan; gorsuch; immigration; lawsuit; neilgorsuch; ruling; sanfrancisco; scotus; trumpillegals; trumploss; trumpscotus
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To: pgkdan

I guess we’ll have to wait for the stooges in Congress to rewrite this law. This doesn’t look good at all. Congress is not on our side despite the destruction to our country in contravention to spirit of the Declaration and Constitution.


81 posted on 04/17/2018 11:06:19 AM PDT by Crucial
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To: mooncoin

Gorsuch was supposed to be conservative...hahahaaha! SAD. HRC must have blackmailed him too, like Roberts, or these SCJerks are just as leftist as half the country!

May God remove those in SC, that Trump could actually replace with a REAL CONSERVATIVE without a bleeding heart for insanity!


82 posted on 04/17/2018 11:09:43 AM PDT by Ambrosia (.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Couldn’t crimes of violence be defined within one page or even one sentence? It implies bodily harm. If it was simply stated as rape, assault, aggravated assault, manslaughter and murder, would that not be enough? I personally think the bar should be quite low and this isn’t necessarily a low bar.


83 posted on 04/17/2018 11:14:46 AM PDT by Crucial
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To: CottonBall

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84 posted on 04/17/2018 11:23:34 AM PDT by caww
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To: apillar

Not to mention, the whole case, all the way from the deportation proceeds through the filing of the petition for cert in the Supreme Court, happened during the Obama Administration. The only thing the Trump Administration did was have its solicitor general’s office argue the case and, maybe, file the brief.


85 posted on 04/17/2018 11:45:43 AM PDT by The Pack Knight
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To: BillyBoy

So you want judge’s to act like the liberals but just come down on the conservative view of things? The Liberals clearly look at the result they want and build come crazy logic to get it. I know why we’d want “our guys” to do the same but I also know why it’s not a good idea”


86 posted on 04/17/2018 12:21:57 PM PDT by wiseprince
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To: wastedyears
Who is any court to tell the president he cannot deport anybody?

I should think that a court absolutely has and should have the power to tell the President he cannot deport someone. The President's only Constitutional power to deport anyone is his power to enforce the immigration and naturalization laws enacted by Congress, and a person the President seeks to deport absolutely has a right to due process of law before being deported.

I don't really agree with Gorsuch that the law is so vague that it violates due process, but I absolutely agree that any person has a right to due process before being deported. Otherwise, what is to stop the President from deporting you or me?
87 posted on 04/17/2018 12:29:20 PM PDT by The Pack Knight
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To: BOARn

If I am not mistaken, this ruling only applies to legal resident immigrants; NOT illegal aliens. Unlike the mass media headlines, this appears a very minor loss that could be easily legislatively reconciled...


88 posted on 04/17/2018 12:31:05 PM PDT by DBeers (The concept of peace in Islam requires not co-existence but submission.)
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To: Jim 0216
Two problems:

1) the decision is unconstitutional because the Constitution does not protect aliens, only U.S. citizens.


Ok, I'll bite. Where does the word "citizen" appear in the Fifth Amendment?

2) The Supreme Court does NOT MAKE NATIONAL LAW. The Constitution empowers ONLY CONGRESS to legislate. The constitutional and legitimate scope of SCOTUS decisions reach only to the PARTIES of the case.

The Founders understood it differently from you. Read Federalist 78.

Thus Trump is not bound by this decision regarding James Dimaya because it is an unconstitutional decision and is certainly not bound from continuing efforts to deport aliens under The Immigration and Nationality Act (INA).


So you want the President to be able to decide for himself whether he is violating the Constitution? Exactly how much power do you want to give the next Democrat President?
89 posted on 04/17/2018 12:40:13 PM PDT by The Pack Knight
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To: BOARn

So let me get this straight....”crimes of violence” is too vague but “hate crimes”, which are unconstitutionally used to stiffen sentencing, is crystal clear. Right - got it...


90 posted on 04/17/2018 12:40:27 PM PDT by Shethink13 (there are 0 electoral votes in the state of denial)
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To: Sgt_Schultze
From the summary, I can’t tell if it impacts illegal invaders, which were the core of DJT’s campaign.

Aliens who are here illegally are deportable, regardless of whether they committed any other crime or not. The statute at issue in this case only applied to aliens here legally (on a student visa, a green card, etc.).

91 posted on 04/17/2018 1:11:38 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: CottonBall

ouch!


92 posted on 04/17/2018 1:16:53 PM PDT by caww
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To: The Pack Knight

8 US Code 1182

He can’t deport me because I was born here to American-born citizens.

Do illegal aliens have the right to due process that you and I enjoy? What does Mexico do with illegal entrants?


93 posted on 04/17/2018 1:17:54 PM PDT by wastedyears (Americans are dreamers too.)
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To: The Pack Knight
Where does the word "citizen" appear in the Fifth Amendment?

The intent of the first ten amendments is not to grant a list of rights - they are already pre-existent per the Declaration of Independence. They are a sampling of rights the feds are not to violate as confirmed by the Ninth and Tenth Amendments.

Aliens did not delegate the powers to the feds via the Constitution. "We the People" did via the States. Aliens are not under the purview of the Constitution. They are like U.S. territories, under federal authority but outside the purview of the Constitution.

"ALL legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States" U.S. Const., Art I, Sec. 1.

The Constitution trumps whatever uncited portion of Federalist 78 you are referring.

However, Federalist 78 does say, "No legislative act, therefore, contrary to the Constitution, can be valid."

An invalid law or unconstitutional decision may be ignored by any other branch of government and/or the sovereign states. However, good faith demands they give a reasoned constitutional basis for their rejection of such federal acts.

94 posted on 04/17/2018 2:29:43 PM PDT by Jim W N
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To: Abathar

Someone is going to offer a $2 bounty on illegals & nothing the USSC can do will stop it. Then the Genie will be out of the bottle.


95 posted on 04/17/2018 2:46:08 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: BOARn

The law needs to be rewritten with more specificity, so that’s what the lawmakers need to get at ASAP before November. Gorsuch’s role is to interpret the Constitution, not to deliver victories for Trump or any other President.


96 posted on 04/17/2018 3:05:02 PM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberals, go find another country.)
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To: wiseprince

Re: 86

Best post of the thread. Thanks.


97 posted on 04/17/2018 3:56:43 PM PDT by Fury
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To: BOARn

In reading on the case the term violence was used too broadly, they had use that term to deport someone who committed burglary. These are legal residents by the way.


98 posted on 04/17/2018 7:17:58 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: BOARn

Trying to show his independence from the President who appointed him! Nothing Ruth B. Ginsberg, Stephen Breyer, S. Sotomayor, or E. Kagan ever have done


99 posted on 04/17/2018 8:44:05 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: wastedyears
8 US Code 1182

Yes. Courts get to decide whether that law applies to a particular person. They also get to decide whether that law complies with the Constitution.

He can’t deport me because I was born here to American-born citizens.

So you say. I'm sure a lot of illegals say the same. Suppose the President, acting through ICE, doesn't believe you. Should they get to just deport you? Or do you think they should have to prove you are an illegal alien in court first?

Do illegal aliens have the right to due process that you and I enjoy? What does Mexico do with illegal entrants?

Yes, they get to have a fair hearing to determine that they are illegal aliens before being deported. The last I checked, most illegals don't have "Illegal Alien" branded on their foreheads, nor do they always admit to being illegal or even aliens. Someone has to determine whether they are illegal aliens. Such as a judge, after hearing evidence.

Mexico treats illegal entrants like crap. They treat pretty much everyone like crap. They don't have much respect for due process. They have a lot of chutzpah complaining about how we treat illegals. Glad I don't live there. What's your point?

Also, the immigrant in this case was not illegal. He was a permanent legal resident.
100 posted on 04/17/2018 8:45:53 PM PDT by The Pack Knight
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