Posted on 03/31/2018 3:41:58 PM PDT by Hojczyk
I don’t know if Buchanan was with anyone after King died. It was an open secret in DC that they were a couple of old queens. I’m rather surprised that Gen. Fremont didn’t campaign against Buchanan in 1856 on that issue, calling him a “moral degenerate.” Then again, had Fremont won, the Civil War would’ve started 4 years earlier.
“...moral degenerate...”
Perfect term.
But again, I’d never heard that he was a flamer.
Speaking of RAT filth...
You’re awfully fatalistic about the Civil War and the aftermath where we allowed Colonel Sanders types to keep treating Blacks like slaves for an additional century, which had lead to problems we still deal with.
The way I see it, the way stuff went down, terrible war, followed by decades of 2nd class citizenship for Blacks, was pretty crappy and could have turned out differently if leadership back then was up to it.
Everyone knew a civil war was a looming possibly, so I don’t give Buchanan or the useless drunk Franklin Piece a pass for doing so little to forestall it. I wish the South had tried in under Jackson, I wish.
I think we call all agree Polk and Cleveland were ok (not to say they were preferable to their opponents). Jackson is fascinating figure I have mixed feeling about. Van Buren wasn’t too bad I don’t think.
The rest of them? Garbage, Tyler (counts as a dem as far as I’m concerned), Pierce, Buchanan, and Andrew Johnson may be Saints compared to the likes of Obama but they were crap.
Back to the subject of the worst, Obama may be the most contemptible swine, the others at least had a drop of America in their blood, but did he really damage the country the most? It depends on your criteria, I think a strong case can be made for America’s Lenin, FDR., JBJ or the hapless douche Carter. Carter is really helped by being the least contemptible personally and not having had a Supreme Court pick. After the Clinton years a lot of people were calling him the worst, in hindsight as bad as was he doesn’t measure up to the “greats”.
You know how I feel about Truman, the love he’s gotten from some on the right cheeses me off, the man was born to sell hats and should have stuck to that. Would have been a good time for a real leader, that’s for sure.
They called him and King “Aunt Fancy” and “Miss Nancy”.
Could it just be propaganda from the time? I think it’s more likely that it’s true.
It is curious why it apparently wasn’t a campaign issue, I guess no one much knew outside of knowledgeable circles and would have been easy to deny, all kinds of charges used to float around, some true and some not.
A drunk followed by a ponce, what a time.
Love Cleveland. He’s the only D I’d put in the top 10.
“Garbage,“
One word says it all.
What was to be done ? Outside of a few elites, very few people were going to accept equality. You'd have had to fight another civil war to maintain those rights for Blacks, and the North had grown tired of this business and would never have agreed to do so. Northern folk didn't want Black people coming up to their pretty White towns. They were fine to impose the notion of "equality" on Southerners, while quietly passing laws to keep Black folks out of the North (look at Oregon).
If the Republicans had pushed for war to enforce equality, the Democrats would've won epic landslides north and south as a "peace" party and wouldn't have won a majority again for decades. The Dems, of course, would've wiped out Black rights regardless. White folks wanted unity by the last quarter of the 19th century. They were content for your "Colonel Sanders" stereotypes to rule the roost below the Mason-Dixon Line. You might have some saying it was wrong, but what were they gonna do about it ? It's not like those folks wanted them as neighbors up north. If you thought busing a century later caused problems, just imagine how Northerners would've reacted in the 1870s to millions of Blacks coming up to take advantage of the "equality" that was nothing but talk.
I feel badly for Black folks of that era, they were screwed just about any way. Their so-called supporters fine with them, so long as they stayed far, far away.
"Everyone knew a civil war was a looming possibly, so I don’t give Buchanan or the useless drunk Franklin Piece a pass for doing so little to forestall it. I wish the South had tried in under Jackson, I wish."
Again, what would Pierce or Buchanan to have done ? I at least have some sympathy personally for Pierce. He got to watch along with his wife (who opposed his running for President because she knew something awful was going to happen) their little boy crushed to death in a railcar accident. Both of them were likely suffering from PTSD symptoms for the entirety of his 4 years. She was probably driven insane. He likely had to keep himself inebriated just to be able to get through the day. If it had been in the modern era, someone in such a state would've been eased out of office with the solid sympathy of the country. Pierce didn't have someone to "turn the country over to", his VP (Buchanan's boyfriend) King died just after taking the oath of office in Cuba. Next in line would've been the Senate President Pro Tempore, of which there were 3 in the early going. David Rice Atchison of Missouri was a Southern sympathizer and became a Confederate General during the Civil War. Another was Jesse Bright of Indiana, who was perhaps even more strongly a Southern sympathizer, and openly so during the Civil War, and was expelled from the body. The other was Lewis Cass of Michigan, himself a Presidential nominee against Gen. Taylor in 1848. He was the least objectionable, but he was also in his 70s (ancient in those days) and he supported a status quo on slavery that alienated the anti-slave folks. He'd have been another Buchanan (Buchanan made him Sec of State), although he took a harder line that led to his resignation before the end of his term.
Simply put, there was no magic figure at the time who could've done something that would've accomplished anything beyond maintaining a status quo. Even if Jackson had done what he threatened to do with secessionists (hang their leaders), you'd still have had utter bedlam as a result, and he'd have put himself at risk for assassination and sparking a civil war anyhow. Lincoln was canonized because he picked an ideal time to perish (OK, he didn't pick it). He won the war, freed the slaves, but died before he had to deal with the most difficult part: reconciliation. Had he lived to 1869, his stature may have greatly diminished in trying to be an accomodationist. That mess was left to Andrew Johnson, who wasn't up for the task. Then Gen. Grant, whom also wasn't really up for it, either. Then lastly Hayes, who allowed the whole thing to be taken out of his hands and formally "ended" so he could get the Presidency. That's real leadership for you. One probably could've called Hayes the first RINO President. He had to sign off on the Tilden & Democrat agenda without Tilden needing to serve. But, as I said earlier, there were few Republicans that had the belly to go balls to the walls for Black Civil Rights by 1877. Certainly not if it was going to continue to foment bad feelings between the North and South. Republicans, too, wanted to be able to get the votes of White Southerners, especially as Blacks were seeing their voting abilities curtailed.
"I think we call all agree Polk and Cleveland were ok (not to say they were preferable to their opponents). Jackson is fascinating figure I have mixed feeling about. Van Buren wasn’t too bad I don’t think."
My state of TN voted for Henry Clay over homeboy Gov. Polk, but we were a Whig state in those days. How Clay would've been as President is a matter of debate. Probably another status-quo'er.
"The rest of them? Garbage, Tyler (counts as a dem as far as I’m concerned), Pierce, Buchanan, and Andrew Johnson may be Saints compared to the likes of Obama but they were crap.
Back to the subject of the worst, Obama may be the most contemptible swine, the others at least had a drop of America in their blood, but did he really damage the country the most? It depends on your criteria, I think a strong case can be made for America’s Lenin, FDR., LBJ or the hapless douche Carter. Carter is really helped by being the least contemptible personally and not having had a Supreme Court pick. After the Clinton years a lot of people were calling him the worst, in hindsight as bad as was he doesn’t measure up to the “greats”."
With respect to Carter, I think he may be one of the biggest frauds and phonies to ever achieve the Presidency. He played for whatever side was needed to advance his career and would just as quickly stab said person in the back. In a lot of ways, he was really trying to copy George Wallace and succeed where he failed (he was really a stand-in for Wallace after it was apparent Wallace couldn't get the Dem nomination after being shot). He ran a race-baiting campaign for Governor in 1970 like he was the supercharged Lester Maddox (the outgoing Guv) and then turned around and pretended like he was Mr. Civil Rights. To see Black leaders embrace him so quickly when he had zero credibility demonstrated how quickly they attached themselves back to the Democrat plantation for power. Sadly, on the 50th anniversary of MLK's assassination tomorrow, you just know he'd have been up on stage with Jimmuh urging his people to vote for him had he been there in 1976. The funny thing is that Bubba followed a lot of the same playbook (and his big mentor was J. William Fulbright, who was not pro-civil rights).
You know how I feel about Truman, the love he’s gotten from some on the right cheeses me off, the man was born to sell hats and should have stuck to that. Would have been a good time for a real leader, that’s for sure.
Of course, it was either gonna be him or the execrable Wild Bill Douglas to succeed FDR. Why is it so often than not that the turds rise to the top while we never get to experience truly great leadership who adhere to the highest of our Constitutional principles ?
You would be a very boring Quantum Leaper!
Re Reconstruction, I don’t necessarily agree with you that another war would have been necessary to enforce the law, the south was licked. In any case, it was the duty of the federal government to enforce it, changing the constitution and doing jack to enforce it is farcical and abdication of responsibility. I say maybe leave the federal troops there, keep the jack boot on the throat. KKK types that raise rabble get shot, maybe arm the Blacks and let them do the shooting. Don’t seat people elected from states where they didn’t let Blacks vote. If blood would have spilled on Capitol Hill, so be it, blood was spilled. Blood is still being spilled today because we still have an underclass created by this problem.
Northern Whites weren’t keen on having ex-slaves move North? No shiite, who would have been? I wouldn’t have been. The South was responsible for bringing them here, I see no cause to call out Northern Whites. This was on the heads of the slaveowners, period. They brought the slaves here, they tried to break away from the country in order to expand slavery and keep their power, being unwilling to let it slowly fade out (as just banning it was NEVER on the table and they thus had no cause to rebel)
Re preventing the war in the first place, I don’t know SOMETHING as opposed to jack squat. If authoritarianism was needed, so be it. Get creative. What could have happened worse than what did happen? We should have fire bombed the Confederate Congress, those were the people that needed to die, not the poor boys in the field. Leaders lack imagination.
Re Pierce, sad story but he was unfit and should have stepped down rather than drink his way through his tenure. If some jackhole Senator got to be acting President, so be it, they couldn’t have done worse. In my view the Senate President Pro Tem is not an “officer” that should be eligible for to be acting President and the honor should have gone to the Sec of State (Macy who in real life kicked in ‘57 so he probably would have died in office, giving it to the Treasury Sec Guthrie) . There likely would have been court action. Again, so be it, would you let Joe Biden right after his wife and kid died be President cause the succession was iffy? I wouldn’t. And of course he was an unfit drunk before that last son died, he never should have run.
The best thing for everyone might have been to ship the ex-slaves out, Africa, conquer/buy Santo Domingo and let them have that, let them have the Dakotas as their own states, something. Tough undertaking but better than another 100 years of semi-slavery in my book. If I were an ex-slave I’d sure prefer North Dakota or Liberia to being treated like crap in Georgia (or Chicago).
“Liberia”: The magic word.
*Warning, the following is a work of fiction speculating on what a Black state’s political trajectory from the 1860s to 2018 would’ve looked like. I used names of some real-life people, but it is obviously not the true reality.
Regarding a Black state...
It would’ve been an interesting experiment to be sure. The states I’ve thought best for the experiment would’ve been Kansas or Nebraska. The Dakotas were too far north. Perhaps taking the then-unpopulated areas of West Texas (panhandle) or chunks of New Mexico. Another requirement would’ve been having what Whites residing in those areas to depart in order to allow for non-interference in Black governance (or some KKK-style attempt by a minority White community to take over control, which would defeat the whole purpose).
Such a state would’ve invited Frederick Douglass to serve as Governor of the new experiment by acclimation, and the state named for him in return (a la Washington). Not having to deal with (or removing) hostile White interests, their main political focus would’ve been on agriculture and education and building schools and colleges. As an aside, 19th century Blacks up from slavery would’ve been utterly baffled and ashamed by the 21st century mindset of their descendants on education and that ignorance and low-class culture are worshipped.
From at least the establishment of the Black state until the early 20th century, it would’ve been a solidly Republican locale. Obviously, it would’ve had a Democrat minority probably around 15-20% (since even when Blacks were solidly GOP, they were never at the 90%+ they’ve generally been post-1964). Black Dems of that era would’ve been seen as tools of the outstate White power structure, so it would’ve been hard for them to get elected barring a split in the state GOP or beyond lesser offices where they might be personally known.
The bigger problem would’ve been Socialist-Marxists like Marcus Garvey or W.E.B. Du Bois probably coming to the state around 1900 or so to displace or overthrow the Booker T. Washington social ethic (Washington presumably would’ve established a university as this new state rather than Tuskegee, and also would’ve gone on to serve as Governor and Senator). Alas, in those early days, many would’ve fallen victim to the siren song of that leftist horror. If the national political climate had any influence, Democrats under Garvey/Du Bois would’ve increased their membership by the 1910s in this state, perhaps enough to elect their first Democrat Governor and legislature. Although this may have been short-lived once state residents saw what President Wilson did with respect to Black rights outstate (and I suspect Wilson would’ve targeted the Black state with sanctions of a sort for being hostile to the administration).
From 1916-32, the state would’ve been firmly back in the Republican camp after that brief flirtation with the Dems. However, given that in the 1920s and the farming crisis (a bit of a preview what was to come), it may have shaken their state GOP. Although the state would’ve stuck with Hoover in 1932, it probably would’ve been a jump down from maybe 85% in 1928 down to 60% or so in 1932. With leftists emboldened, Dems might’ve made their breakthrough again around 1934 or 1936, winning the Governorship, the Senate seats and the legislature. The key argument would’ve been over federal help and welfare. Old school Conservatives under a “Senator” Oscar DePriest strongly opposed accepting the help because it would have terrible social implications while Socialists under Du Bois freely favored accepting help, and that allowed Du Bois to defeat DePriest in the 1936 Senate election.
By this time, the state was almost at a 50-50% divide politically. The GOP would make some comebacks in 1938, but would narrowly vote for FDR in 1940 and 1944, but DePriest would fail in his comeback against Du Bois in 1942. The GOP would sweep the 1946 elections in the state, leaving DuBois as the only Democrat statewide. At the age of 80, he would win a 3rd term in 1948 even as the state voted for Dewey by a margin of 52%, with Progressive Communist Henry Wallace coming in 2nd with 30% and Truman getting a paltry 17%. Thurmond would get 1%.
Eisenhower would narrowly carry the state in 1952 by the same margin as Dewey, just 52%. 1954 would produce a mixed signal. The Democrats would win the Governorship and legislature, but an 86-year old Sen. Du Bois would lose to a former Republican Governor, Archie Alexander (in real life, he was an Iowan who was appointed Governor of the Virgin Islands). Another warning sign occurred in 1956 with Ike dropping to just a bare 51%. The Dems would hold the legislature and Governorship, and with Sen. Alexander’s death in 1958, the Dem Governor would appoint 90-year old ex-Sen. Du Bois back to his old Senate seat. In the special election, Du Bois would still manage to hold on.
In 1960, Nixon would lose the state to JFK by a 55-45% margin. A bright spot for the GOP would be a young 35-year old state representative named Medgar Evers upsetting the Dem incumbent Governor. He would win a 2nd term in 1962. Sen. Du Bois would die in 1963 at the age of 95. Urged by national Republicans, Gov. Evers would appoint himself to the Senate vacancy. In 1964, state Dems recruit a minister named Martin Luther King, Jr., who fancies himself the heir to the Du Bois legacy, to run against Sen. Evers. While on a national campaign to help other Republican candidates, Sen. Evers is murdered by a White supremacist on the eve of the election. Even as Goldwater loses by an 85-15% margin in the state, Evers is posthumously elected and his wife, Myrlie, is appointed to the vacancy. Despite a spirited campaign, Myrlie Evers loses the 1965 special election to Rev. King by a 60-40% margin.
In 1966, Republicans suffer more losses as the Dems (bucking national trends) sweep every statewide and federal race except for one Congressional seat, won by Charles Evers, brother of the slain Senator. Dem. Senator King wins a full term with 75% of the vote. Nixon takes only 28% in 1968 to Humphrey’s 70% with Wallace getting 2%. Dems continue to hold almost all the offices in 1970. Nixon gets a paltry 30% in 1972 against McGovern. Congressman Evers decides to run against Sen. King, including airing allegations of sexual misconduct, but he loses by 35-65% to King. Adding insult to injury, Evers’ district elects a Democrat Congressman for the first time since statehood, leaving an all-Dem delegation.
Evers tries to regain his seat in 1974, but fails, losing by an embarrassing 20%. He does succeed the following year in returning to his small hometown and getting elected Mayor. In 1976, Gerald Ford manages to get an unusually high 40% of the vote against Jimmy Carter based on the latter’s race-baiting tactics while running for Governor in 1970. Although the GOP gains a few legislative seats in upper-class areas of the state, they fail to make any federal gains. In 1978, Myrlie Evers, the former Senator, attempts to run for the old family House seat, but she gets just 45%. In 1980, the state becomes the only one to deliver a plurality of its votes to Congressman John Anderson, who gets a whopping 40%. Carter gets just 30% and Reagan only 20%. Dems still hold all seats.
In 1982, Sen. King suffers a massive heart attack and dies at the age of 53, it would be discovered he was in bed with a White stripper. The Governor offers Coretta King his seat, but declines. Now-Mayor Charles Evers declares to run for the vacancy, facing off against newly-appointed Sen. Jesse Jackson, but loses by a 60-40% margin. In a high-profile party switch, the niece of the late Sen. King, Alveda King, who is the sitting House Majority Leader in the state legislature, becomes a Republican over the issue of abortion. The Republican caucus, which consists of only 15% of the body, unanimously offer her Minority Leader position.
In 1984, President Reagan gets just 32% in the state to Mondale’s 68% (despite his attachment to Carter). The legislature and Congressional seats remain unchanged. In 1986, State Rep. Alveda King runs for Governor, but gets just 40%. By this point, it has been 16 years since the GOP has won anything at or above the Congressional level. Some GOP leaders are grousing that Charles Evers, the national committee chairman for the state since his brother’s death, is doing nothing to grow a stagnant minority party. He is formally ousted by Alveda King in 1987. In 1988, King attempts to run for the old Evers House seat, but loses with 45% to incumbent Dem Congressman J.C. Watts, Sr. GHW Bush gets a paltry 29% in the same election to Dukakis.
In 1990, King agrees to run for Governor again. This time, she receives just 35% of the vote. Worse, yet, the number of Republicans in the legislature drops to just 10% of the membership, the lowest in its history. Some Republicans float the idea of renaming the party as the New Whigs or even going the route of getting rid of a partisan ballot altogether in order to increase their numbers in the legislature. In 1992, GHW Bush ends up with just 20% of the vote. Bill Clinton gets 35%, Sen. Jackson running as a dissident Dem gets 30%, and Perot gets 15%. 73-year old Ed Brooke manages the upset of the year when he wins an open Senate race as a Republican with 36% as two Democrats splitting the vote between Du Bois Democrat Bobby Rush and Clinton Democrat Doug Wilder. Alveda King also wins the old Evers seat with 45% when a similar split causes Congressman Watts to lose 15% to a Du Boisite. Charles Evers, in a comeback, wins a State Senate seat and is immediately made Minority Leader. The disabling split between the Centrist Dems and hardcore Du Boisites enables the GOP to get 40% of the state legislature, the largest number since the 1950s.
In 1994, State Sen. Evers attempts again to run for the Governorship, but the Dems unite and he gets just 40% of the vote, but keeps his seat in the legislature. Congresswoman King keeps her House seat, but with just 49% of the vote, with the son of the incumbent, J.C. Watts, Jr., as the Dem challenger, getting 47%. Harming his chances, his dad made an off-handed remark to a reporter when he said the ideological difference between the two of them is what “dangled between his legs.” Shortly after the election, Watts Jr. switched to the GOP. The GOP drops back down to about 25% of the legislature as many freshmen members suffer defeats with a united Dem party.
In 1996, ex-TN Governor Lamar! Alexander becomes the Presidential nominee (since Bob Dole would’ve hailed from the Black state, he wouldn’t likely have held office unless somewhere else) and loses to Clinton in the state with just 25%. Sen. Jesse Jackson wins reelection with 85%. Alveda King loses her House seat to a united Dem challenger, getting only 43%. Evers loses his seat in the State Senate as well, announcing his retirement from politics. King leaves the state to accept an appointment to become head of a national pro-life cause. The GOP presence in the state legislature shrinks to just below 20% of its members. Leaving a vacancy in state leadership, former Amb. Alan Keyes runs for the committee chair post against J.C. Watts, Jr. Watts narrowly claims victory. Watts wants to recruit Gen. Colin Powell to run for state office, specifically Governor, citing that they haven’t won the office since Medgar Evers won his second term in 1962. Powell declines the offer.
In a blow to the state GOP, former U.S. Senator Myrlie Evers switches to the Democrats and accepts their offer to run for Governor in 1998, winning with 70% of the vote. Evers cites that the GOP is no longer an effective force in the state. Sen. Ed Brooke loses reelection to ex-Gov. Doug Wilder by 45-55% (in an ironic twist, Wilder runs to Brooke’s right, upending usual political voting preferences, with Wilder carrying the few remaining GOP areas while some hardcore Dem areas voted for Brooke). Sen. Jackson privately wanted Brooke to win over the more moderate Wilder. The GOP continues to plummet down to 15% of the legislature and fails to get above 30% for any major race.
Citing poor recruitment skills, Watts Jr. steps down as GOP leader in the state, succeeded by Michael Steele, an unsuccessful candidate for Lt Governor 2 years earlier and State Representative. Dubya Bush gets just 26% of the vote in 2000 to Gore’s 54%. Nader takes 20%, his best national showing. The GOP gets precisely 1 additional seat in each legislative body.
In 2002, citing fatigue, Gov. Myrlie Evers retires. Radical Du Boisite Democrat Bobby Rush wins the nomination to succeed her and the general election with 55% of the vote. A centrist Dem gets 30% and the Republican gets just 15%, who was a desultory opponent. An effort to endorse the centrist Dem fails with the state GOP. The Republicans fall to just 12% of the legislature. Alveda King’s old House seat goes 80% for the Dem incumbent, once the most GOP in the state. Sen. Jackson wins unopposed.
Dubya gets just 27% of the vote in 2004. The GOP makes no gains despite the unpopularity of Gov. Rush.
Sen. Wilder mulls over challenging Rush in the Dem primary in 2006. In one of the most nationally embarrassing spectacles, Wilder resigns his seat vowing to rid the state of Rush, Rush instead immediately resigns the Governorship and directs the new Governor, Cynthia McKinney, to appoint him to Wilder’s seat. National Democrats are fearful that Rush, a militant Black supremacist, will harm their attempts to regain the 2008 Presidency. Wilder defeats McKinney in the Dem primary by a narrow 52-48% margin. In an olive branch outreach, he keeps the radical McKinney as his running mate. Embarrassingly, the GOP fails to field a Gubernatorial candidate. Steele is voted out as chairman after it was revealed he was the mastermind of a failed plan to recruit Wilder to run as the GOP nominee against Rush. A write-in candidate for the GOP gets 5%. Despite the hullabaloo, the GOP falls to 10% of the legislature.
In 2008, Hillary Clinton wins the Dem nomination for President after Sen. Rush sandbags the junior IL Sen. Obama by giving her his endorsement (and the election over McCain). Rush wins the special Senate election that year with 75% against an Independent challenger. Hillary gets 80% to McCain’s 15%. Nader gets 5%. Rush had the Republican tossed off the ballot for lack of valid signatures. The GOP legislative presence is so small, it can meet in a handicapped bathroom stall. Now down to just 3 out of 40 members in the Senate and 9 out of 100 members in the House.
Despite her massive unpopularity outstate, Hillary keeps a 90% approval rating in the state and audaciously declares before a joint session of the legislature that “Frederick Douglass would be a proud Democrat today !” to thunderous applause. “Lets make the state of Douglass the first to be a 100% Democratic state this November !” Although somewhat wary of the Clintons, Gov. Wilder is renominated unopposed and another desultory GOP challenger gets just 10% of the vote in 2010. The GOP loses its Minority Leader in the Senate in an upset. 2 out of the 9 Republicans reelected to the House declare they’re leaving to become Independents because they can’t be effective members in the party.
In 2012, Willard Mitt Romney makes just one visit to the state to pay homage to Frederick Douglass and Booker T. Washington. Only several hundred people show up and half are protesters. In November, he gets 12% of the vote. A recount barely allows 1 of 2 remaining State Senate Republicans to keep his seat with just 49% of the vote. The stress of the campaign causes him to have a massive heart attack and he dies before the January session. He is replaced with the Democrat challenger. The GOP drops to 6 out of 100 members in the House. 2 of them are White and 1 is Hispanic.
In 2014, Wilder is forbidden from running for another consecutive term. He is obliged to support Cynthia McKinney to succeed him as Governor despite her ultra-radical record. Quietly, he reaches out to the GOP to try to get them to run a non-radical, but the party is so weak and most of the talent has fled the state with its radicalization that it is a failed attempt. He floats an attempt to recruit 92-year old Charles Evers, a former political opponent, to run for Governor as a Republican-Independent fusionist, but Evers is in permanent retirement. McKinney paints the outgoing Gov. Wilder as a right-winger and closet “White supremacist” and other epithets, opposed to “change.”
Wilder changes his mind and attempts to get around the Constitution on the rule of no consecutive terms and run as a non radical opponent to McKinney, but the Supreme Court shoots him down. He tries to reach out to others, such as Alveda King and J.C. Watts, Jr., but they’re no longer residents of the state. He ultimately writes in the name of the lone State Senate Republican for Governor. McKinney gets 90% of the vote in the general. An Independent Militant Nationalist and Separatist who urges the state of Douglass to be a separate nation gets 10%. McKinney is seen as not being very far afield from his candidacy. Gov. Wilder does not bother to attend the inaugural, denouncing the new Governor as the worst and most divisive and destructive person elected to office in the history of the state. He immediately moves to Florida.
The new Lt Governor, Ernie Chambers, an ostensible Communist, refuses to swear-in the one remaining State Senate Republican in the body he presides over, calling him a “honkey”, despite being a very dark-skinned individual. The Senate parliamentarian insists he swear in the member, but Chambers continues to refuse, saying he’s in “Whitey’s party and this is a true state of Africa.” Said member is, ironically, a relative of Frederick Douglass. The Supreme Court orders Chambers to swear in the member, and he reluctantly complies, but not after questioning their Blackness.
Chambers attempts to introduce a constitutional amendment outlawing the Republican party in the state as it is “inherently anti-African and anti-progress.” Gov. McKinney privately agrees, but asks Chambers to withdraw it. In Spring 2015, a radical supporter of Chambers attempts to stab the lone Senate Republican, receiving only minor injuries. Chambers, in a retort, said, “He must’ve had the White devil protecting him today.” When some Democrats complained about his remarks, Chambers said, “I apologize to the devil for associating him with the White man. He may be evil, but he ain’t THAT evil.”
A censure resolution fails against Chambers. In an earlier classless display, former Sen. Ed Brooke, who died in January of that year, when the legislature decided to lower the flags to half staff, Chambers went out and hoisted the flags to full staff on the state capitol grounds. “He left our state the moment the folks here had the sense to vote his honkey ass out. I ain’t celebrating that. Good riddance !”
Declaring victory, Gov. McKinney celebrated the legislature’s passage of the single-payer system for health care. “We finally have our progressive centerpiece and the state of Douglass will be the envy of the nation and the world !” Meanwhile, the stats for the state are sobering. Having peaked at 7 million residents in 1970, the state now had just barely over 6 million 45 years later. Many middle-class residents were leaving the state en masse. Crime was at epidemic proportions, the highest in the nation from theft to murder. Out of wedlock births were 85%. Per-capita income lowest in the nation. Average gradepoints were worst in the country. When students would attempt to attend out-of-state colleges, they would be rejected, citing studies that they were performing at the level of 4th and 5th grade. Taxes were exorbitant, but with diminishing returns, forcing the sales tax to be raised to 15%, the highest in the nation.
When Republican leaders called Douglass a “failed state”, Democrats, the media and state leaders called it “pure racism.” Even after it was caught on tape with Sen. Jesse Jackson declaring he wouldn’t want to walk the streets of any city in his state without his armed guards, the media would spin or ignore the stats. President Hillary applauded Gov. McKinney for her single-payer system, calling it the model for the nation. She had narrowly failed to get a similar system through Congress.
Horrified by the political climate in her former state, ex-Congresswoman Alveda King suggested she might move back to the state and run for Governor in 2018. “The Democrats have destroyed our formerly great state. They’re not even Democrats, they’re just straight-up Communists who won’t be happy until they’ve taken the state back to the Stone Age.” Lt. Governor Chambers replied with, “If that honkey witch sets foot in our beautiful African state, I’ll be here to meet her with millions of our beautiful African residents telling her, ‘You ain’t welcome.’”
2016 came to pass, this time with Donald Trump as the GOP nominee. Secretary of State Barack Obama started his own campaign at the Douglass state capitol, declaring, “It’s time for the nation to elect an African-American to the Presidency. 500(sic) years of oppression and our ancestors are demanding this day to come, and it will come this November.” Obama scored an almost 99% victory in the state Dem primary against the sitting Vice-President. This time, he had the full backing of the state political power structure, still the premier Black political machine in the nation despite its problems. Sens. Jackson and Rush declared full-throated support, as did Gov. McKinney. Lt. Gov. Chambers opined, “He’s a little WHITER than I like, but his head and heart are in the right place, and it’s time to show the racist right-wing honkeys what REAL African BLACK power looks like in November,” raising his clenched fist high in the air. “Any candidate, any person who opposes this man must be stopped, must be put down. Racism MUST end !”
As Election Night came, the results were stark. 95% of the state voted for Obama, with just 3% voting for Trump and 2% were spoiled ballots. Election turnout, curiously exceeded the number of registered voters. With barely 6 million residents, 4.85 million had voted for Obama. In 1964, when the state had almost 7 million residents, only about 2 million or so had cast ballots. Left in the debacle’s dust, the lone remaining State Senate Republican lost his seat, getting just 35% of the vote to the Democrat’s 65%. He immediately charged dead voters and other chicanery led by Ernie Chambers was responsible. On the House side, 4 of the 6 remaining Republicans also summarily lost. The 2 Republicans that won was a White incumbent and the Hispanic member. Both won narrowly despite charges of fraud. The lone Hispanic member phoned the other member and told him he’d had threats made on his life and would be resigning his seat and leaving the state. The White member pleaded with him not to leave, saying he also received death threats.
When Chambers learned of the new makeup of the legislature, he replied, “Told you the Republicans were the White man’s racist party. Now it literally is in our state a White man’s party, that one honky. I heard the fake Latino is quitting, good riddance. Now, just so you know, I told some of my people in that honky’s district to vote for him. Keep that one guy around. If he knows what’s good for him, he’ll vote the right way, or my people will make him disappear... at the next election, of course. Wink, wink.”
But the good news for the Dems having a virtual one-party monopoly in the state vanished overnight when Trump defeated Obama despite massive voter fraud nationally. Chambers opined, “We was robbed ! I knew the racists in both parties wouldn’t let a Black man be President. They won’t have a beautiful African brother and sister go to the HONKY house, except as servants and slaves. This country is just as racist as it ever was ! Frederick Douglass is spinning in his grave ! Senator King is spinning in his grave ! Senator Du Bois !”
Chambers, addressing an enraged crowd assembled at the state capitol grounds, “Get your knives ! Get your guns ! Get your ropes ! Get your matches ! Armageddon has arrived ! The racist White America has stolen our birthright ! They’ve stolen from you your newborn King ! Never forget ! Burn this mother to the f’ing GROUND !”
Before Gov. McKinney or Sens. Jackson and Rush could speak, the crowds in the city, whipped and enraged by madness, set fire to everything in sight. They burned their streets, their homes, their cars, their capitol. They crossed the state lines to set fire to the “White states” that voted for Trump. They incited their brothers and sisters and non-Black sympathizers to riot, to loot, to burn. President Hillary was rolled out of bed before dawn after drinking herself into a stupor, with the Secret Service telling her that Douglass was burning and so were all the pro-Obama cities and white areas. Rioters had broken through national guard and army barricades to set the U.S. Capitol building ablaze and were shooting fire and police who tried to get through. They were holding off burning the White House by rioters so they could evacuate Hillary...
And thus ends the glorious rise and spectacular fall of the state of Douglass.
Colbert is a jerk. Carter is an incompetent old man.
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Dude, if you fleshed that out to (fake) reference book length, I would strongly consider actually buying a copy before ultimately deciding to pirate download the e-book version.
Brav brothertrucking vissimo!!!! I assume you've been working on this for a while, don't tell me you did it all today!?
I'll spend hours offering analysis later!
Actually, I was initially going to reply to the post that Galactic was responding to, but then I saw his post and decided to take a thwack at his instead. No, I haven’t been working on that for some time. Since I didn’t have the tv on to distract me, I typed it out cold in 4 hours this evening (careful to put it on notepad, so as not to accidentally delete it). Of course, it would need a bit more polish and I left it as a cliffhanger with the ‘16 elections.
I merely used some key names as a reference point and utilized the national trend of Black voting habits, albeit making “Douglass” a bit more Republican than the average for a time in the post-1930s to ‘70s era, presuming you’d still have some diehard yellow dog Republican voters even after the mid ‘60s. But the ‘70s era and the die-off of the old school voters would eventually see the party similarly die (using the Virgin Islands as an example of that, where the GOP ceased to exist, BUT they have an alternative Independent Citizens Movement party where non-Democrats fall, and they’re de facto Republicans).
Add to that, I also made the presumption that a small number of Whites stayed in this state, maybe reaching a maximum of 10% of the population by 1960 (roughly 700,000), but rapidly dwindling after the hard-left turn of the Democrats and the deterioration of the state. The presumption, too, with the state jettisoning the old Booker T. Washington Conservative agenda in favor of the Socialist Du Bois model, especially with the advent of the Great Depression in a state that would’ve been hit much harder as a farming state (albeit with some large cities, such as the unnamed capitol of Tubmanville). Du Bois becoming the key leader in moving the state to the Democrats and the left, with MLK, Jr. succeeding him (I had MLK survive clear through to the 1980s in this instance).
Also, I would point out the state becoming poorer since with the advent of Civil Rights laws being passed in the 1960s, and not wanting to stay in a landlocked state, there being an exodus of upper and middle class Blacks out of Douglass to “Greener pastures.” Could say Tubmanville hit 2 million people in 1960, but by 2010, had turned into a third world slum of a half million (even more rapid decline than Detroit). With industries choosing to leave the state because of crime and high taxes and declining infrastructure, education, et al. Most of the remaining half-million in Tubmanville either work for the state or city government or are on welfare. 99% of the population of the city is Black, with the remaining 1% Hispanic or White.
The university city of Bookeropolis is facing a similar crisis with crime and epic mismanagement of the schools and colleges. Once ranked as some of the best in the nation in the early 1900s and training notable doctors, lawyers and scientists, the university has lessened its standards, admitting students with an education level of middle school, with widespread cheating permitted. They also admit criminals in order to have a “stellar” set of sports teams with teachers falsifying their scores. But some colleges out of state begin to complain about these problems across the board, and decertification ensues, only for the state to cry racism as a result (rather than looking at the fact that having no standards has resulted in the dire straits).
The post-1930s welfare state through to the 1960s, of course, results in the present situation of decline for the Black family. Epic level illegitimacy, incarceration rates (even on a soft-on-crime state), etc. The average intelligence quotient being 85 or so, partly due to schools that don’t teach. An epidemic of drugs and gang violence with the decline of the family from the 1960s onward. The pathology backwards to logic and reason, such as bad behavior and criminality looked as “good” while success (exclusive of drug dealing or gang-banging), self-help and education is seen as being bad or being a sell-out to your own race.
A rapid decline in church membership, though what churches are around become those of the SJW ilk, blaming Whitey and outsiders for all the problems rather than the leftist agenda. Those courageous leaders who speak out against the rot are silenced or destroyed and forced to flee the state. Hence the Republicans voting with their feet. Even if there are those voting against the regime, since the regime counts the votes, much like the IL Combine, but on a much more egregious scale, nobody really knows what the true votes are. The Republicans are reduced to not bothering to field candidates, and even the moderate Democrats are being silenced into supporting an ever-radicalized state.
I made it that by 2016, it is almost effectively a Stalinist African state with an increasingly Mohammadan presence made up of criminals and gang members. There’d cease to be viable elections and Governors would serve like a dictatorship. Police would be disbanded, roving gangs of teens and children replacing them, serving at the pleasure of the local political boss. A situation like Liberia or Haiti.
Anyway, that’s some of what I utilized in doing that post.
Of course, you then ask, why hasn’t the federal government done anything to clean up the madness ? Part of it has to do with fear (fear of being called racist). White Dems do nothing, because they need their votes. Republicans use them as an example of epic Democrat dysfunction. Attempts to indict their officials come to naught, because their juries won’t convict, even with overwhelming evidence. There’s also the problem with laws enacted to create the state of Douglass at the federal level. These were non-interference policies designed to keep the White majority from attempting to undermine their state (which was working at the start). Indicted state officials can cite those laws as to why they’re free to do as they will without “Whitey’s” interfering.
The state would ultimately be the nation’s nightmare and undoing, serving as a center for chaos and violence, hence the 2016 Election Night (or early next day) madness and mayhem, spreading out nationally (since, after all, not all Blacks would be confined to that state, and with it being what is viewed as the “Black mother state”, no matter how corrupt and evil it had become, outstate Blacks and leftist SJWs would follow its lead and of its leaders).
Interesting commentaries.
I’ll go with my “alternate universe” vision where:
1. Lincoln isn’t assassinated.
2. The Contraband is told: “You’re free to go. There’s Liberia, GTFO. Bye.”.
3. Reconstruction is changed to “Reunification” and most of the Reconstruction negativity doesn’t happen.
You end up with a better, happier and more unified country.
Ah, I’ve been called a jerk by women plenty of times.
Hell, even on here a few times :)
There’s worse things.
Like being jimmah carter.
OR living in 1976 when this country thought he would make a good president :)
I’ll second that, DJ. That there is your talent, brother.
Square it away and make a book.
It’d never get published. It’s too honest (and hence would be denounced as racist, sexist, homophobic, yada yada yada).
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