Posted on 03/29/2018 10:01:40 AM PDT by MNDude
Pope Francis leads the Chrism Mass on Holy Thursday, during which sacred oils are blessed at Saint Peter's Basilica, at the Vatican, on March 29. That same day, Italian newspaper La Repubblica revealed that the pontiff believed that hell did not exist
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Only in the concept of 'original sin'. Children are considered blameless until they achieve the age of reason. The Jewish tradition is 13 when a boy is Barmitzvah'd or a girl is Batmitzvah'd. Your use of Ephesians is a non-sequitur to your claim. Paul is speaking of how easily children can be influenced. After the age of reason, a person is held accountable for their actions and can no longer claim the excuse of being a child.
(I define sin as any event that the soul knows as wrong and thus it creates an obstacle to Love in the soul.)
Feel free to define sin as you wish, you are not far from it. Sin is whatever separates us from God. The Old Testament even puts unintentional violations of God's law into the sin category. The New Testament narrows that to willfulness.
Love is the glue that holds the human soul together.
No idea how that is germane. Love is a deliberate act, a conviction of the person to behave within specific guidelines. Paul enumerates them in 1 Corinthians 13. It is not a fleeting emotion but a willful manner of attitude and behavior. Christ loves His creation, though they hate Him. Were love to be an emotion, His attitude would change depending upon how He felt at the moment. God's love surpasses emotion and is His willful attitude and behavior towards His creation despite our rejection of Him.
Children are only pure at conception when the soul enters.
Nothing scriptural about this. Paul himself said that he was faultless (NIV, blameless in KJV). Not indicating without sin, but in the eyes of the law he was without fault.
A child in the womb can not differentiate between their own experiences and those of the mother.
Nor this and it is irrelevant to the discussion. A fetus lacks the brain power to differentiate anything. It is not even aware of its own consciousness. The soul gives impetus to the relationship between God and Man but can only be expressed through the development of the brain. Even Jesus was susceptible to this (Luke 2). As we develop, we learn and grow based upon our education and experience. Paul discussed this in 1 Corinthians 13; he "became a man" at 13 just as every other Jewish boy, prior to that he was still a child.
Amen!
Only in the concept of 'original sin'. Children are considered blameless until they achieve the age of reason. The Jewish tradition is 13 when a boy is Barmitzvah'd or a girl is Batmitzvah'd.
Your use of Ephesians is a non-sequitur to your claim. Paul is speaking of how easily children can be influenced. After the age of reason, a person is held accountable for their actions and can no longer claim the excuse of being a child.
I have worked with many children and adults who were adopted as babies. The feeling of being unwanted and rejection by the mother and/or father are known by the soul of the child at conception. The stored memories of the developing child in the womb are still intact in the soul of the adult and influence the emotional subconscious throughout life.
In my work with lesbians, a very high percentage of them experienced their mother's anger at the father when they were in their mother's womb. this created an aversion to men. (I'm not saying this is always the case as the soul of each individual is unique and very dynamic.)
I do not judge. I work to empower individuals to to unshackle themselves and grow toward God. God's Love sets them free.
Recently a woman with severe anxiety came to me for help. She is in her early sixties and had not had a history of anxiety known to her. She is an MD, family practitioner.
I walked back from her physical body and into her earliest memories in her soul, where I felt the same anxiety. I explained to her that she was the oldest child to her mother who was a career woman. When her mother became pregnant with her she had much anxiety as to how she would balance her career and her being a mother to a child. That memory of her mother's experience was imprinted on her soul as her own.
I then walked toward her and felt the same anxiety when she was 26 years old. The Dr. explained to me that when she was twenty-six and in medical school residency, she became pregnant with her first child, her daughter, and went through the same anxiety as she made the difficult decisions relating to balancing her medical career and being a good mother.
Suddenly the Dr. understood her current anxiety. Her daughter, now grown, who lived out of the country had been visiting her for the previous week. Her daughter was pregnant with her first child.
Three generations of career focused women, all experienced severe anxiety relating to their life which in turn programmed the experience in the child and was repeated as the same experience unfolded.
Such events are quite common in my work.
Thus sins of the mother are present in the child.
Only in the concept of 'original sin'. Children are considered blameless until they achieve the age of reason. The Jewish tradition is 13 when a boy is Barmitzvah'd or a girl is Batmitzvah'd.
Your use of Ephesians is a non-sequitur to your claim. Paul is speaking of how easily children can be influenced. After the age of reason, a person is held accountable for their actions and can no longer claim the excuse of being a child.
I have worked with many children and adults who were adopted as babies. The feeling of being unwanted and rejection by the mother and/or father are known by the soul of the child at conception. The stored memories of the developing child in the womb are still intact in the soul of the adult and influence the emotional subconscious throughout life.
In my work with lesbians, a very high percentage of them experienced their mother's anger at the father when they were in their mother's womb. this created an aversion to men. (I'm not saying this is always the case as the soul of each individual is unique and very dynamic.)
I do not judge. I work to empower individuals to to unshackle themselves and grow toward God. God's Love sets them free.
Recently a woman with severe anxiety came to me for help. She is in her early sixties and had not had a history of anxiety known to her. She is an MD, family practitioner.
I walked back from her physical body and into her earliest memories in her soul, where I felt the same anxiety. I explained to her that she was the oldest child to her mother who was a career woman. When her mother became pregnant with her she had much anxiety as to how she would balance her career and her being a mother to a child. That memory of her mother's experience was imprinted on her soul as her own.
I then walked toward her and felt the same anxiety when she was 26 years old. The Dr. explained to me that when she was twenty-six and in medical school residency, she became pregnant with her first child, her daughter, and went through the same anxiety as she made the difficult decisions relating to balancing her medical career and being a good mother.
Suddenly the Dr. understood her current anxiety. Her daughter, now grown, who lived out of the country had been visiting her for the previous week. Her daughter was pregnant with her first child.
Three generations of career focused women, all experienced severe anxiety relating to their life which in turn programmed the experience in the child and was repeated as the same experience unfolded.
Such events are quite common in my work.
If God is truly all powerful, all presence and all intelligence, the devil certainly cannot be his opposite or equal because there is no place for him to exist. Same for hell. Now, one can believe he is separated from God and that there is a hell and evil but believing in it doesn’t make it real.
the comedian brother dave gardner in the 60’s said-the difference between a northern Baptist and a southern Baptist-the northern Baptist says their ain’t no hell and the southern Baptist says the hell there ain’t..
I am glad that you are able to work with these people, but what you are espousing is secular humanism and mysticism and not Biblical, in fact it is condemned (Exodus 22:18, Leviticus 19:31, 20:6, 20:27, Deuteronomy 18:10, Jeremiah 27:9). Do not even try to paint it as such. Spiritual regression to time in the womb is non-scriptural and verges on heretical. Tread carefully. We humans are not to dabble in these things lightly. We can pray that the Holy Spirit has affect in their lives. The realm of Angels and Demons is far beyond our comprehension and ability to act.
Do not confuse human love and God's Love. Human love is conditional and controlling. God's Love is unconditional and freeing.
Thus sins of the mother are present in the child.
Read John 9:1 where the man was blind from birth. Who sinned, the man or his father that caused the blindness? This was common belief at the time. When the disciples asked about it, Jesus replied that neither applied in this situation.
Healing the Man Born Blind 9:1 As He passed by, He saw a man blind from birth. 2 And His disciples asked Him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he would be born blind?
As a Christian, I follow Jesus’ teachings....
I ask, If you are not also doing these things are your words empty and self deceiving? According to Jesus, if He is truly within you, you too will do these things.
John 14
9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves.
12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.
13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.
And
Romans 8
Heirs with Christ
12 So then, brothers, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh.
13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
First part is true, God is all powerful (omnipotent), all present (omnipresent), and all intelligent/knowing (omniscient). Second part is also true, Satan is not his equal but he does work in opposition (Ephesians 6:12). The third part is not true, there is a place for his to exist as he is a created being. The chief of the fallen angels and the accuser of the brethren (Revelation 12:10). Satan is quite real and commands a powerful army, though one that will ultimately fail.
Same for hell. Now, one can believe he is separated from God and that there is a hell and evil but believing in it doesn’t make it real.
The one who created Hell says it is real (Matthew 10:28). Peter also spoke of it and he walked with the Creator for 3 years (2 Peter 2:4).
Hell has been written about quite sufficiently in scripture as a physical place and there is no cause to doubt its existence. Wanting something to not be real does not make it unreal.
I am not the one confusing it.
John 9:1 is a perfect example of a tradition that is not scriptural, as what you are espousing. The tradition was that someone in his family sinned when the truth was quite opposite. Read Jesus' reply in John 9:3:
“Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him."
Clear?
What has that to do with the discussion?
Not if you are espousing/practicing spiritual regression. Christ told us that dealing with unclean spirits required prayer (Mark 9:29). Your scriptural citations are a non-sequitur.
If there is a Hell, do you think God is there?
Jesus came to show that evil has no power, presence or intelligence.
Do you think that man has the power to do greater spiritual things than Jesus?
If you read my comments, I only work through prayer.
Your quote of Mark 9:29 is out of context and does not mean what you state:
23 “‘If you can’?” said Jesus. “Everything is possible for one who believes.”
24 Immediately the boy’s father exclaimed, “I do believe; help me overcome my unbelief!”
25 When Jesus saw that a crowd was running to the scene, he rebuked the impure spirit. “You deaf and mute spirit,” he said, “I command you, come out of him and never enter him again.”
26 The spirit shrieked, convulsed him violently and came out. The boy looked so much like a corpse that many said, “He’s dead.” 27 But Jesus took him by the hand and lifted him to his feet, and he stood up.
28 After Jesus had gone indoors, his disciples asked him privately, “Why couldn’t we drive it out?”
29 He replied, “This kind can come out only by prayer.[a]”
[a] Mark 9:29 Some manuscripts prayer and fasting
Important words here are:
23 “‘If you can’?” said Jesus. “Everything is possible for one who believes.”
Which if your belief was as weak as the disciples then you must:
29 He replied, “This kind can come out only by prayer (and fasting).
This is very true as prayer and fasting are the tools which lead one to the experience of Jesus and Our Father and strengthen our belief to a “Knowing” where there is little doubt.
This is why I state that many proclaiming Christians are fooling themselves. I am not critical of them as much as concerned for them. I desire that everyone finds Jesus and fully accepts Him and Our Father within themselves. This is true “Communion.”
Jesus’ first commandment, “Love God” is by far the most important. But you can not Love God and your flesh.
Jesus second commandment, “Love Thy Neighbor as Yourself” is meant to teach us to resolve any obstacles to Love that become anchors or ballast and preclude us from doing a better job at His commandment number 1.
If you have a conflict with your brother, go and resolve it before you come and worship.
“If there is a Hell, do you think God is there?”
My Father’s Mansion has many rooms. God is everywhere... Both Omnipresent and Omnipotent.
Great question. David believed that God was there (Psalm 139:8) but I believe he wrote that indicating that God was everywhere He chose to be. Hell, as the Jews knew of it, was called the "Place of Departed Spirits" and was divided into two locations, "The Bosom of Abraham" and "Hades", divided by an impassible chasm. Peter wrote about Christ preaching in Hell (1 Peter 3:19).
Jesus came to show that evil has no power, presence or intelligence.
Nope. That was a secondary effect. Christ came to redeem the lost. Evil held no power over Him but it most certainly has power over man when we do not trust in Christ.
Do you think that man has the power to do greater spiritual things than Jesus?
Jesus said that we can (John 14:12).
Nope. Your assertion was that sin was passed from the parent to the child and you used Mark 9 as proof. Christ said just the opposite.
Oh??
Strange; but the text does NOT say that...
2 Corinthians 5:6-8 New International Version (NIV)
6 Therefore we are always confident and know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord. 7 For we live by faith, not by sight. 8 We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.
It merely says what Paul would prefer.
Oh; we all can be deluded in some areas.
I prefer to go with what the Bible DOES say about those who die:
Ecclesiastes 9:1-61 But all this I laid to heart, examining it all, how the righteous and the wise and their deeds are in the hand of God. Whether it is love or hate, man does not know; both are before him.
2 It is the same for all, since the same event happens
to the righteous and the wicked,
to the good and the evil,
to the clean and the unclean,
to him who sacrifices and him who does not sacrifice.
As the good one is, so is the sinner, and
he who swears is as he who shuns an oath.
3 This is an evil in all that is done under the sun, that the same event happens to all. Also, the hearts of the children of man are full of evil, and madness is in their hearts while they live, and after that they go to the dead. 4 But he who is joined with all the living has hope, for a living dog is better than a dead lion.
5 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten. 6 Their love and their hate and their envy have already perished, and forever they have no more share in all that is done under the sun.
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