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Once I became more politically aware during the Clinton era, I've seen a number of these "devastating" Fegov shutdowns. I have never witnessed any detrimental long-term effects, and not even short-term.

Maybe I'm not as astute or aware as I think I am, but the only negative effects I remember is that "non-essential Fedgov employees" were given furloughs. That has always begged the same questions:

1. Why are there so many "non-essential" Fedgov employees?
2. With their above average pay, why were so many panicked if they didn't get a check for a few days, a week, two weeks when Congress is forced back in session?
3. They always have received their back pay, which amounts to extra paid vacation. Plus, they didn't lose their healthcare during the furlough.
4. What? The 50 States stopped functioning also? No, they didn't. They were not even effected.
5. Other than those on Fedgov payroll and DC Swamp Creatures, most didn't even notice that DC stopped operating for a short time.

Personally, I wanted all those shut-downs to last longer to prove DC is not as important as so many believe.

1 posted on 03/23/2018 3:08:33 PM PDT by A Navy Vet
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To: A Navy Vet

I have been informed by people who should know that our military is in sad shape, and that we are lagging behind the Russians in many key areas. Trump claimed he had to sign this bill because of the military component. I have no reason to think he is wrong here.


2 posted on 03/23/2018 3:11:30 PM PDT by theoilpainter
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To: A Navy Vet
I believe it was more about the threat of Fedgov shutdown than the immediacy to re-build our military.

No, it wasn't. The "re-build our military" crap is nothing more than political posturing -- and President Trump does that as much as any career politician does.

President Trump didn't veto the bill because his veto would be overridden by an embarrassing margin.

3 posted on 03/23/2018 3:12:39 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I saw a werewolf drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's.")
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To: A Navy Vet

It’s time for us to hate the MSM more than the MSM hates us.
The crash in Fakebook stock is a good start. NBC/Comcast should be boycotted till they bleed $$$.


4 posted on 03/23/2018 3:13:45 PM PDT by rfp1234 (I have already previewed this composition.)
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To: A Navy Vet
This is an old post from a few years ago.

Leviathan (Uncle Sam employs more people than you think)
National Review ^ | 02/03/2011 | Iain Murray
"...nearly 40 million Americans employed in some way by government."

And as accessed a long time ago,...

Heavy Hitters: Top All-Time Donors, 1989-2014
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php
American Fedn of State, County & Municipal Employees $60,949,129 [Democrat] 81% [Republican] 1%”

That's what stops the President from cutting spending. If you want to see the solution have a look at the Debt Clock site. With a quick search, you can also find the Debt Clock for a state (real eye opener for many). The debt collapse will be the only solution.


5 posted on 03/23/2018 3:25:56 PM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." --Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: A Navy Vet; unkus; SkyPilot; HarleyLady27; ZULU; MamaDearest; bevperl; seekthetruth; NFHale; Liz; ..

I have nothing but total trust in President Trump. We don’t know why he signed the RAT/RINO treasonous garbage bill today, but I’m sure he had his reason(s). Why, we don’t know yet. Ryan and McConnell have their dirty RINO hands all over it. I believe Donald J. Trump was sent by God to rescue this nation and I still believe that firmly. President Trump can’t do this alone. It is up to us to rid the Congress of all the RATs and RINOs. Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell together don’t have 1/20 of the nads of President Trump. 95% of the GOP are worthless bottom feeders just like 100% of the RATs in Congress. Those we can trust in Congress can be counted on two hands. The rest are spineless, gutless, self-serving, amoral leeches. They’re all traitors to this nation. They don’t give a damn about our Constitution, our security, our economy, our future. They sold their souls to Satan for power and money. They’re no better than any dictator in history.

In war, one has to crawl in the enemies gutter and fight them meaner. One has to always be one step ahead of their enemies as well. Thanks to President Trump, we now see and know who our enemies are.

Sitting home and crying over this bill isn’t an option. Get out there and vote the bottom-feeding scum out of office; all of them. Start digging their dirt and exposing them 24/7.

There is no one, I repeat, NO ONE, better to serve this nation than Donald J. Trump. And, there is no one who loves this nation any more than President Trump. He has stood up to all the back-stabbing Deep State and RATs. Could you? If you think otherwise, I suggest you do some really deep soul searching and come up with your ideal candidate. Only God would be that candidate!


7 posted on 03/23/2018 3:28:01 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: A Navy Vet
Disclaimer: I am not giving up on Pres. Trump, but know the following before you attack.

Once he won the primaries, I re-thought my take on him. I was impressed, even though I still wish he were more articulate. I realized that his populist/strategic vision is why he won out against the MSM backed shoe-in Hillary machine. I knew then, America was having a real revolution back to what has worked since our founding.

Like another poster has repeatedly said on these threads, he has fulfilled many of his campaign promises and continues to try. President Trump has done a lot of good stuff in his short time. Some say even more than President Reagan.

That said, I still wish he would have stood firm on this pork-laden Omnibus bill. Although, there is no such thing as a line-veto, he could have insisted time for his staff to review it and line out items and send it back to Congress with the threat of a veto.

I agree with many here that the GOP leadership is feckless and needs to be replaced and is the main problem.

You folks who say you're not going to vote in November this year, are just building your own noose.

10 posted on 03/23/2018 3:33:59 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (I'm not Islamophobic - I'm Islamonauseous. Plus LGBTQxyz nauseous.)
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To: A Navy Vet

At least the President’s people are trying to strengthen our national defense—especially our nuclear defense. They’ve snuffed out quite a few anti-defense leaks, too.

One of the best surprises in recent years has been the increased interest in firearms and training. Anyone who really considers the magnitude of it knows that it’s our greatest defense against occupation by any foreign army. Attempts to invade and occupy will certainly follow nuclear exchanges.


11 posted on 03/23/2018 3:37:02 PM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." --Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: A Navy Vet

I suspect one of his unspoken reasons was that he did not want to perturb the forward motion of his snow-balling battle against the deep State — just as it’s actually starting to roll...


20 posted on 03/23/2018 5:29:51 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias; "0bama": Allah's stooge; "Moderate Muslims": Allah's useful idiots.)
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To: A Navy Vet
Uhhh.... dont fret yet boys and girls has the Donald once again outsmarted everyone on this omnibus spending bill that contains SUGGESTIONS OF HOW MONEY SHOULD BE SPENT

Most likely he has.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/03/once_again_i_ask_why_vote_republican_comments.html#disqus_thread

Trump just let all the Rino's shoot themselves in the foot. With him signing this last bill he will force them to finally get back to coming up with a budget we have lacked all through Obama era politics...

Per the Constitution…the President must adhere to a Budget set forth by Congress and direct the expenditures as provided therein.

This is another one of those big Porkulus Bills, like they gave Obama for 8 years. This is not a Budget.. An Omnibus Spending Bill may have some ‘instructions’ as to how the money will be spent…but Obama ignored them. He spent the money, or didn’t spend it, however he wanted to.

And Congress didn’t do a thing about it! Because they couldn’t...

~So it appears Trump is miles ahead of them and has complete discretion on how to spend the money. How how a Omnibus bill works...

https://iotwreport.com/hols...

........................ rodguy911 planeboy • 41 minutes ago Wow great catch!According to this Trump can basically do whatever he wants with no law prohibiting it and with a recent opposition potus doing exactly that! He has outsmarted everyone once again! Am I surprised?NO!! Below from the link.

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Per the Constitution…the President must adhere to a Budget set forth by Congress and direct the expenditures as provided therein.

This is another one of those big Porkulus Bills, like they gave Obama for 8 years. This is not a Budget.. An Omnibus Spending Bill may have some ‘instructions’ as to how the money will be spent…but Obama ignored them. He spent the money, or didn’t spend it, however he wanted to.

And Congress didn’t do a thing about it! Because they couldn’t..

And, it is only for 6 months..

I think our President observed how this happened, year after year.

He is bound to realize that those ‘appropriations’ for different things in these Omnibus bills…are merely ‘suggestions’.

So like Obama, Pres Trump can spend this money on whatever he wants to.

Or…not spend it.,P> Planned Parenthood?

What if our President decided to tell the Treas Dept to ‘slow-walk’ that money to Planned Parenthood…until the Senate gets off their ass and confirms his appointees?

Sanctuary Cities?

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As usual while eveyrone is genuflecting over how Trump was screwed over by the hard left and the rino contingent one more time, he has outsmarted everyone!!,p> Never underestimate Trump!! He is smarter than anyone who has ever held the office.

27 posted on 03/24/2018 3:18:40 AM PDT by rodguy911 (Home of the free because of the brave! MAGA!!)
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To: A Navy Vet

Trump was set up and the Dems/RINOs wanted him to veto it so they could override to “save the day” from the guy who “claimes to want a strong military but vetoed the best funding Bill in military history - because he wouldn’t “compromise on a ‘few little things’”. He threw down the gauntlet at the Presser and if all his soldiers don’t go AWOL because they have cognitive dissonance disorder he can still win the war for us.


29 posted on 03/24/2018 3:27:22 AM PDT by trebb (I stopped picking on the mentally ill hypocrites who pose as conservatives...mostly ;-})
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To: A Navy Vet
"FedGov Shutdown. So What?"

Yeah...my sentiments exactly... DC is beginning to stink like an overly used commode... It's well past time we put the lid down and push the lever....

37 posted on 03/24/2018 11:11:50 AM PDT by unread (Joe McCarthy was right.......)
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