Posted on 03/06/2018 11:06:03 AM PST by nickcarraway
Sharia creeping.
Incrementalism. Aisha was 6 when she married mohammed
We live in an era where there are two justice systems. It is in effect because a prosecutor has to choose to act. In Canada, we have had cases of cigarette smuggling rings getting busted. But it is well known that natives in Ontario have been running contraband cigarettes for decades now. They have never been charged. Same thing applies to Muslims.
Wikipedia does not give details on the political process, but the timing is consistent with the Progressive Era. Before that, states had ages as young as 7, with 10 about the average.
I believe this new age is to accommodate France’s newer citizens.
Apparently, they are raising it, since at this time there does not appear to be a minimum age of consent in France.
At least, that is how I read the article. The law is being proposed because authorities were unable to get rape convictions on men who had sex with 11 year old girls.
According to Wikipedia the age of consent in France was set as:
Age 11 in 1832
Age 13 in 1863
Age 15 in 1945
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe
I haven’t read the whole article but this is probably a tweaking of the 1945 law. Possibly to make rape of minors easier to prosecute.
Somewhat interestingly in 1942 France legally set the age of consent for homosexual acts at 21.
That was lowered to 18 in 1974 and to 15 in 1982.
The French have been going downhill for awhile.
dawg, you could have addressed that comment to several posters on this thread — but nickcarraway isn’t one of them. It appears he actually read the article — maybe even before he posted it.
It was lowered to 15 a long time ago in Colorado. On France, it appears that some readers here are confused about the society there. By and large, it’s been more old fashioned and socially conservative than here. Remember the enormous protests in France against a proposed libertine law or policy regarding homosexuality a few years back? Most people there frown on homosexuality and other libertine social preferences.
The age of consent in the distant past was assumed to be for marriage. Apparently, some readers here are confused about that, too.
I’m sure many of the elite ones have done that. Like many high class folks around the world, many of the more mobile ones are way to the left and pretty weird. I grew up with a few lower middle class French imports near a large naval air station. They weren’t much like the ones seen on TV. They were somewhat old fashioned and strict.
It’s really hard to generalize much, though. One region of a country might even be different from another. Consider social attitudes about that sort of thing in Germany in the recent past, say, during the ‘60s and ‘70s.
The butt pirates are gonna love this.
When I wrote that response, my thoughts were focused on France, not you.
Your perception I was addressing you was not accurate.
If others saw it along the lines you did, I am sorry. It certainly wasn’t intended to convey that type of impression.
I agree with your conclusion there.
Thanks for the informative post.
If the age of consent was 15, as depicted by your post, I don’t understand the need for this current action.
That 11 year old level age of consent in the early 1800s is shocking to me.
Yes, you are correct. I mistakenly responded to the original posting (by nickcarraway) rather than to the several people who misinterpreted the new French law. My apologies to nickcarraway.
Was God pleased when 14 year olds were married and having their first babies?
Yes, I read what you did.
It seems unfair to blame me, I have no control over what France does.
This was meant to convey, I read what you had read. It wasn't meant to convey an attack on something else you had done.
It wasn't meant to be an attack at all.
“If the age of consent was 15, as depicted by your post, I don’t understand the need for this current action.”
I think it has something to do with making it easier to prosecute child molesters for rape. It probably just tweaked some definitions and loosened restraints on prosecutors.
Before the state had to prove the minor did not give consent. This, I think, says a minor (under 15) can not give consent.
“That 11 year old level age of consent in the early 1800s is shocking to me.”
Its France, what can I say.
But England and the colonies weren’t far behind.
England’s age of consent was 12 at that time and that carried over to the American colonies.
In 1689 in Virginia Mary Hathaway was 9 when she was married to William Williams.
In the United States, as late as the 1880s most States set the minimum age at 10–12, (in Delaware, it was 7 in 1895). Inspired by the “Maiden Tribute” articles, female reformers in the US initiated their own campaign, which petitioned legislators to raise the legal minimum age to at least 16, with the ultimate goal to raise the age to 18. The campaign was successful, with almost all states raising the minimum age to 16–18 years by 1920.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent
We have to remember that childhood is a concept that didn’t take hold until the late 19th century.
If children were strong enough to work, they did. This was true in the cities and countryside.
Thanks for the informative post.
The historical records are appalling > IMO.
Evidently I’m not grasping this new law very well.
If 15 was the age of consent before, then any kid under that age would be unable to give consent. Now they need to tweak it? Either the age of consent means just that, or it’s a real red herring out there.
My gripe with this all along, is that we are lowering the ages of consent, just like the pervs want. “Oh we’re doing it to save the kids.”
NOT BUYING IT!
Now 15 year olds can say yes. Just great!
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