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Trump calls campus deputy who hid from school gunman a 'coward'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5427207/Trump-says-cop-hid-gunman-coward.html ^ | Feb. 23, 2018 | Francesca Chambers, White House Correspondent and Abigail Miller For Dailymail.com

Posted on 02/23/2018 8:56:56 AM PST by dragnet2

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Trump calls campus deputy who hid from school gunman a 'coward' and says: 'He certainly did a poor job'

'So he certainly did a poor job,' Trump repeated. 'But that's a case where, somebody who was outside, they're trained, they didn't react properly under pressure or they were a coward. It was a real shot to the police department.'

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To: rightwingcrazy

He just shifted the dialog completely by using one little word. He can take what they dish out, and he’s very well privy to information we don’t know about yet.


21 posted on 02/23/2018 9:10:22 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: JoSixChip
He didn't actually call him a coward even in that statement if reported correctly. He listed it as an option based on failure to react to the situation.

The immediate retirement of the SRO in light of the criticism from his own boss is telling though.

22 posted on 02/23/2018 9:10:33 AM PST by pfflier
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To: JoSixChip
He didn't call him a coward....left it as a possibility.

Pretty obvious that he was though or he would have never immediately resigned.

Bet he's not sleeping very well.

23 posted on 02/23/2018 9:10:39 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Fishtalk

A big burly type of guy calls in to our local radio station and scolds us listeners: “You don’t know what you would do in the same situation so people should stop mocking this guy”.


Problem with that argument is the some of us do know. While many people just watched, I stepped in to an asian gang beating the crap out of another asian kid in broad daylight in the international district of Seattle. They were all high school kids, but if you saw that kids face by the time I yanked enough of them off him, you’d see it was pretty darned serious. A cab driver and me were the only ones that did anything. And we did stop it.

I didn’t carry at the time and yes, it was risky. But you sort of get a “let the chips fall where they may” attitude.

I was on a bike ride with my wife and, yes, I was wearing ridiculous spandex and a helmet and bike gloves and shoes.

I’m no hero. I did what needed to be done and didn’t really think about it.


24 posted on 02/23/2018 9:10:40 AM PST by robroys woman (So you're not confused, I'm male.)
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To: Fishtalk

A big burly type of guy calls in to our local radio station and scolds us listeners: “You don’t know what you would do in the same situation so people should stop mocking this guy”.


i.e. the “burly guy” was just exposing his own perspective - and guilty of projection.


25 posted on 02/23/2018 9:11:31 AM PST by robroys woman (So you're not confused, I'm male.)
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To: rlmorel

Most cops never have to, many do not practice sufficiently to be decent shots.
Anyone who carries a gun should shoot regularly, most just qualify once a year.


26 posted on 02/23/2018 9:11:35 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here of Citizen Parents__Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: robroys woman

This is what political correctness does to society.


27 posted on 02/23/2018 9:12:05 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (What is a Blue City? First world cities run by third world politicians.)
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To: Fishtalk; i_robot73

> A big burly type of guy calls in to our local radio station and scolds us listeners: “You don’t know what you would do in the same situation so people should stop mocking this guy”. <

FReeper i_robot73 said it best: don’t want the responsibilities, don’t sign-up for the job.


28 posted on 02/23/2018 9:12:24 AM PST by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: dragnet2
It was a real shot to the police department.'

And who might the leader of that police department be?

29 posted on 02/23/2018 9:14:45 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: robroys woman
I was wearing ridiculous spandex and a helmet and bike gloves

It's probably a good thing you had the helmet and glove on. Good job.

30 posted on 02/23/2018 9:15:36 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (The Obama is about to hit the fan.)
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To: rightwingcrazy
Maybe the President knows more than I do about the cop, but it seems premature to label him a “coward”.

He almost always does and almost always is correct.

31 posted on 02/23/2018 9:16:49 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: Lurkinanloomin

I just purchased a system that has a laser bullet that goes into the chamber, and it integrates with your smart phone to let you practice dry firing, and it has helped me a great deal to learn some muscle memory, shoot with my eyes open and such, but...I am still a lousy shot at anything past 40 feet.

What I wonder about is probably what any person at any point in history who has ever had to handle a weapon wonders about: “If the time comes, and I have to do it...can I do it?”

They have training where I work on “Code Silver” situations, an armed shooter in the institution. They tell you to run away.

I am no hero, I have never been in combat, but if I saw a guy walk by me in the hall with a loaded weapon heading towards a group of my co-workers, mentally, it seems wrong to run the other way as instructed. I know why and how, but it feels like it goes against the grain of every value I was taught growing up.

I don’t know if I could do anything to stop a shooter. I might well run the other way as they want me to, and hide in some bathroom “Shelter in Place” bulls**t “haven” they want you to go to.

But in my heart, I feel like I could not consign my unsuspecting co-workers to their fate. It just seems wrong. Hopefully I never have to find out.


32 posted on 02/23/2018 9:19:35 AM PST by rlmorel (Leftists: American Liberty is the egg that requires breaking to make their Utopian omelette)
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To: dragnet2

That’s one thing I love about Trump.

He’s not PC. He calls a spade a spade and the heck what anyone thinks about it.


33 posted on 02/23/2018 9:19:39 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: robroys woman
I don't want to defend this guy. I would like to think I would have gone in to try and stop this shooting. That said, I have worked in Federally leased buildings with armed security guards. The Federal Protective Service (FPS) has oversight of them. They are told that during an active shooter event, they are to maintain their post and secure the entrance for the arrival of law enforcement (LE). Most say they would probably ignore those orders and respond. many are former LE or military, so I believe that. They also assume they would get fired if they did respond against orders.

I think that is a stupid policy, but FPS does not want the guards getting in the way of first responders (friendly fire).

But my question is; what were this guys orders? If it was to maintain visual observation until LE arrives, I might cut HIM some slack.

If you remember Columbine, that was SOP. First to arrive setup outer perimeter until SWAT arrived. A lot of kids died because of that strategy. After Columbine, that changed in most jurisdictions, LE tries to standardize response training and tactics so, regardless of the responding agencies, first to arrive form an entry team and try to neutralize the shooter as fast as possible.

So I won't condemn until I learn more. If his orders were to assist in the arrival of additional LE, he probably does believe he did a good job, and the fault would be on the LE agency for using antiquated tactics. But I certainly understand the anger. Would not want to be this man.

34 posted on 02/23/2018 9:20:36 AM PST by MPJackal ("From my cold dead hands.")
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To: dragnet2

If the yellow shoe fits...


35 posted on 02/23/2018 9:20:44 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: rlmorel
“If the time comes, and I have to do it...can I do it?”

Which is why ex-military is what Trump suggests as a primary person on campus - they have experience running into buildings and firing.

36 posted on 02/23/2018 9:24:00 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: robroys woman

How does big burliness show on the radio?


37 posted on 02/23/2018 9:24:01 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: rlmorel

I shoot 100 rounds of .22 every week at 25 yards at a 6” target.
Aim small, miss small and practice, practice, practice.
Has made me better with every other gun.


38 posted on 02/23/2018 9:24:13 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here of Citizen Parents__Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: rlmorel
I have difficulty labeling this person in this fashion. I understand why it is being done, because it was his job. He SHOULD have done it.

Until I know exactly what happend, I cant really comment on the guy. This could be like Obamas "Police acted stupidly" comment.

39 posted on 02/23/2018 9:24:32 AM PST by Paradox (Don't call them mainstream, there is nothing mainstream about the MSM.)
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To: robroys woman
This particular shooting is not about guns at all. It’s not even about mental illness. It’s about a complete and utter failure of law enforcement at multiple levels, to the cop at the school all the way up to the FBI.

And failures of the school discipline system, which failed to enforce any discipline against the kids when he was acting out.

It a failure of GOVERNMENT.

40 posted on 02/23/2018 9:24:52 AM PST by Fido969 (In!)
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