Posted on 02/19/2018 8:10:49 AM PST by Will88
A family that lost eight members in the Texas church massacre this month filed a notice of claim on Tuesday accusing the Air Force of negligence for not having filed paperwork that could have stopped the gunman from buying his weapons.
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Lotteries are run by the Temporal Police to catch illegal time travellers.
Not necessarily. I would let the local citizens decide for themselves. My main focus is the highly bureaucratic attitudes of schools and local police in Parkland FL, but also across America. If you put all the local teachers, cops, coaches and even parents in a room who knew Cruz was dangerous, there would be dozens of people there. Why did nothing happen? What forces were at work that caused such inaction ?
I hate to say this, but zero politicized the government agencies for eight years, and it would be easy to believe the FBI stood down on the Florida school shooter information when he was reported to them so that the massacre COULD happen, prompting outcries for ..... gun control and confiscation....
In the case of the guy in Florida, I’ve read where he shot (or shot at) the neighbor’s chickens. I suppose if a call to the police didn’t result in punishment, the chicken owner could have just gone shoot, shovel, and shut-up on the guy.
And as absurd as that is in most places today, when DOES it get to that point? When the idea of law and order, and justice can’t be depended on? I’m thinking of the “Wild West”. Or modern day South Chicago or Detroit. Detroit might be the best example, where honest private citizens form armed patrols. Or a remote mountain community with the meth-heads warned time and time again not to steal. (I’ve heard from third-parties that they have a difficult time walking near the river and slip and drown.)
Although what these patrols in Detroit are doing is legal, and within the law. Hmm - reminds me of a freeper’s comment from days ago about a bunch of mom’s saying that if the school didn’t provide armed guards, the mom’s would arm themselves and patrol the school. (The school armed the guards).
I wouldn’t go that far, but I think Zero and his DOJ and FBI appointees so politicized those agencies that the top officials became pre-occupied with the schemes designed to cover-up their own wrongdoing, and to undermine the candidacy of Trump to insure Hillary won.
And so many officials became occupied in so many political schemes that parts of the agencies drifted away from their actual mission. And what Trump just said was not all out in left field since the leadership was involved political schemes rather than overseeing their actual responsibilities. Who knows how far that seeped out into the field operations?
We seem to be thinking in the same direction. The American press whines for more knee-jerk centralization of police and government. Meanwhile, we know that far-away, central authorities don't protect anything, except their own interests. Without real power and responsibility for it, local communities descend into chaos.
Your nonsense, straw-man comment aside, you actually prove my point of the stupidity of thinking that Fed.gov bureaucrats 1000 miles away actually give a crap, or are going to keep you safe. But you can rage on if it makes you feel better.
And of course....no one heard of this:
https://www.online-ministries.org/church-security-stops-mass-murder-attempt-in-amarillo-texas/
You know, once in a blue moon some brave souls stand up and hold government bureaucracies ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR INCOMPETENCE. Sorry you have a low opinion of those folks who do that.
And while the idea of “vigilante justice” is extreme - there are other ways that the local community might have prevented this. Mainly by being aware of this “kid” (from years ago it sounds like they were), and then doing something on the local level. It is hard to fathom with almost 40 contacts with the police that something wasn’t done.
In my city our church (and now lots of other churches) are heavily involved in the public schools. We run their sports programs. Have mentors for the kids, etc. It is unbelievable what an impact that has made on the schools. Stuff like suspensions going from 100+ down to 12 in a year, grades going from 30% passing to 80%, etc. I’m guessing that a nut-case like this kid would get found out and either received the help they needed, or at least some steps taken to keep him from being a danger to others.
This is what I am talking about! In our nearby urban-leftist public school system, I was reading a news story and survey about how 80% of the teachers felt the high schools were "out of control." Because its a high-minority school district, teachers and principals are not allowed to suspend or expel students. A culture has been created where nobody learns, but moreover, any problem is simply referred to "the union" or "law-enforcement." Teachers, understandably, simply wash their hands of any problems, and keep their heads down. Everyone knows a problem exists, but nothing changes. Government and political structures have removed any sense of community or responsibility.
I have no doubt a generally similar bureaucratic mentality exists among teachers in Parkland FL - and across America.
The mayor of the large city our church works in (leftist, minorities, etc.) has come out publicly that the program is doing things that the city could never do. And there is a waiting list of schools to get on the program. The coaches and mentors are not supposed to “preach” - but obviously everybody knows that it is church sponsored.
I suppose someday somebody will complain about a “separation of church and state”.
CNN exclusive: After Texas massacre, military rushed to add more than 4,000 to gun ban list
No...probably just a combination of clarification about WHO needs to be submitted (a crime capable of getting a sentence over 12 months versus RECEIVING a sentence of over 12 months) combined with a high emphasis due to the politics. They undoubtedly ordered that EVERY file be reviewed, to include as much overtime as needed, to find those who fell between the cracks.
If you have X people doing the work, there is a limit to what they can get done. Once the SecAF gets publicly embarrassed, X will be ordered to drop everything and fix ‘the problem’ - the problem being whatever it was that embarrassed the SecAF.
Big difference between that and “sloth”. And the high emphasis WILL fade away as the daily demands of work take over.
“But that doesn’t mean that the FBI and others should just ignore what reporting”
Didn’t say that. I’m saying even if they do, what are they going to do? None of the kids would turn him in for the things he’s saying, therefore they protected him. The teachers and administrators took no action to stop him and they knew. And that’s where the buck stops.
According to the ACLU, if you are not under arrest, you have the right to calmly leave. Ask first. If they hold you, they have to place you under arrest and be told what for. You gonna arrest him for talking trash on the internet or to friends? And no judge is going to consent to an arrest warrant for trash talk. If you are asked to meet with FBI agents for an interview, you have the right to say you do not want to be interviewed. Now you’ve absolutely nothing but talk Without a crime.
Further more, getting permission to enter the school at that point becomes at the discretion of the school and system. No warrant, they won’t enter unless the school allows them. And you better not hold your breath on that one.
It all comes down to if you have no crime, you have no one to even question. I think you call that profiling. And we all know where that one went.
rwood
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