Posted on 02/19/2018 8:10:49 AM PST by Will88
A family that lost eight members in the Texas church massacre this month filed a notice of claim on Tuesday accusing the Air Force of negligence for not having filed paperwork that could have stopped the gunman from buying his weapons.
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The impenetrable shield protecting government employees from any hint of accountability for the harm they do, directly or indirectly, under color of authority needs to allow some disinfecting sunlight in.
39 times over several years, and I haven't seen much detail on what legal actions they could have taken, if any.
And the FBI acknowledges it had a tip on January 5th of this year that was specific that Cruz had guns, a desire to kill people, and a desire to shoot up a school. And the FBI acknowledges protocol was not followed on that tip and it was never followed up.
And my main point is that in the two biggest massacres in recent years, two different federal bureaucracies failed to follow through on critical procedures designed to help prevent the type incidents that occurred. How many more cases are there where procedures were not followed?
It’s true that prevention is not the primary function of law enforcement, and it is practically impossible to prevent crimes of passion that are committed in a sudden flare-up of emotion. But crimes that are plotted and planned, or conspired, can be prevented at times due to the time taken in planning and putting together any needed weapons or equipment.
This shooting fits into the potentially preventable category.
“We have laws preventing mentally ill people that pose a danger from obtaining guns.”
When Sandy Hook happened Obama immediately put out over 20 Executive Orders to try to stop gun violence. It doesn’t make any difference what the law says, a nut can get a gun in this country if he/she wants one. They’re all over the street.
The military processes article 15’s and court martials on a daily basis all over the world and has for the lifetime of the army. But they are not different from the civilian court system in how they operate. In the civilian world, there are deals made all the time for lesser sentences and “deal.” Same in the military. He might have received a bad conduct or general discharge and the terms are coded in his DD 214 that no one ever seems to read.
But to pick out one branch of the service that acts just like the their civilian counterparts is not the way to look at it. It isn’t the system, it’s the people that make the decision to do things. The laws are fine, just enforce them.
They didn’t bust Bill for lying under oath, or Hilly for lying about her computer, or any of the “journalists” for lying in the media. And yes they were contributory to the deaths of people. In the Clinton’s part, a whole lot of them.
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Too often, a nutcase appears out of nowhere, with little warning and a clean criminal/mental health record. But when we do have clear warnings or indications, it has to be a priority to respond to those, and enter the information needed to allow the current system to work as intended.
“It seems it’s just plain sloth.”
It seems more likely to me that an A1C in the Legal Office didn’t apply the correct code in the computer when filing the paperwork. It also seems likely to me that the computer software wasn’t designed to catch everything - and that the military isn’t funded for top of the line software.
It could also be a training issue. IIRC, the guy was sentenced to exactly one year, and a conviction of OVER a year would flag a different code.
I suspect the court will find the USAF wasn’t flawless, but neither was any person negligent in their duties. The organization may take a hit, but rather unfairly if the organization isn’t FUNDED for success.
1. A band of armed men (citizens, not police) would have been sent to protect the school.
2. He probably would have been apprehended and set on fire or tossed off a cliff before he could even reach the school anyway.
Small edit. Any one who should not be armed should not be freely moving about in our society.
Even if the family wins the case and damages, the taxpayer will pay the judgement.
So the taxpayer will lose.
Civil immunity is an anathema to personal responsibility.
I agree with you, any nut can get a gun. But that doesn’t mean that the FBI and others should just ignore what reporting and prevention tools they have to use to decrease these cases.
This deserves a hurl ALERT!
And what are you suggesting the innocent unsuspecting Texans should have done differently while they sat in Sunday service?
It starts at home. If you have a family nut job, turn him in! If you have a neighborhood nut job, turn him in! If you have a county nut job, turn him in! If you have...
So in other words the kids in that school or that church should have been armed to protect themselves ??!
What’s it cost to get caught in a no gun zone like a school?
Oh, and I have the misfortune of living in a CCW free state.
I fully believe in self defense and practice it as I’m legally able. But, when the government fails They MUST be held accountable
Yep, and just forty or fifty years ago, Cruz and the Sandy Hook shooter might both have been in what was insensitively referred to as the insane asylum. Those aren’t easy questions and easy answers, but there are definitely people walking around freely who should be confined in some institution.
This legal action has to happen. There is presently no consequence for institutional cover up of incompetence, or in some cases, sedition and Anti-American activities.
The Fort Hood shooter slaughtered unarmed soldiers, was a known nut, and an intimidating Muzzzelem’, who was allowed to foment because he was a “psychiatrist”, but he also was reported on several occasions, with no dismissal action taken.
Godlessness naturally moves to the court room to avoid total collapse of America. We will see if a judge can take the place of God in restoring America. (smirk)
Good post, 88!
After each school shooting some number of politicians will punctuate their ‘learned’ perorations with the statement that we must “make sure it never happens again”.
Maybe a few politicians are catching on because I hear that less now than after the earlier school shootings. But, of course, it is and always has been impossible to make sure a school shooting “never happens again”.
And that makes your points all the more critical that those responsible do what is required of them to at least make it less likely that it will happen again.
No. I'm saying that the belief that some higher authority like the FBI, ATF, Congress or "The President" has the power (or management ability) to do anything to change random acts of violence is pure fantasy. We know that the immediate media demands to "act" are purely political, but beyond that, Americans abdicate any responsibility or chance of improvement when they do so. America's families are troubled, and our civil society is in decay and has become highly atomized, so there will most definitely be more Nicholas Cruz's in our future. So the question is - will we continue to whine to the Feds to "do something?" - or will Americans take responsibility among ourselves to give local teachers, police, community and churches the ability, authority and responsibility to act as they deem necessary?
Yes, that fits the same category as this, except it's probably far worse. The Fort Hood shooter was part of the government and easily observable, and they had many credible witnesses, but it was all ignored because we can't say 'nothin bad about the Muslims.
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