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America's Constitution is terrible. Let's throw it out and start over.
The Week ^ | January 26, 2018 | Ryan Cooper

Posted on 01/26/2018 5:39:49 AM PST by C19fan

The American Constitution is an outdated, malfunctioning piece of junk — and it's only getting worse.

When written, the Constitution made a morally hideous compromise with slavery that took a war and 750,000 lives to make right. And while its basic structure sort of worked for awhile in the 20th century, the Constitution is now falling prey to the same defects that has toppled every other similar governing document the world over.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: constitution; cooper; fakenews; liberalagenda; ryancooper
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To: Chewbarkah
Representation without taxation cannot work in the long run.

This is one of my pet peeves. The 24th amendment may have been well intentioned, but it produced a very bad moral hazard to the future functionality of our governing system.

You can't have a system in which people with no skin in the game get to vote for people who will give them goodies.

Eventually the people voting for goodies will overwhelm the system.

101 posted on 01/26/2018 8:01:45 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: C19fan

I’ve read his article and the earlier article of his he links to. I still am not seeing what is wrong with the way our government is currently working.

He’s complaining about the lack of democracy, but I suspect his real complaint is that he isn’t getting his way in policy all of the time.

And where does he get the idea that proportional parliamentary systems are so great? From history? Because it works so well in Italy, Spain, and South America?


102 posted on 01/26/2018 8:20:23 AM PST by The Pack Knight
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To: Mollypitcher1

“There has never been a Constitution like ours nor a country like ours. We are unique and that is what guys like this hate.”

I wonder if it’s possible under the Constitution to get rid of this little twinkie and his fellow cork soakers instead.


103 posted on 01/26/2018 8:23:08 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: C19fan

The U.S. Constitution is the greatest man-made document ever. It is not perfect but it recognizes that itself with the amendment process. Nothing wrong with the U.S. Constitution that cannot be fixed through the amendment process.


104 posted on 01/26/2018 8:45:05 AM PST by CommerceComet (Hillary: A unique blend of arrogance, incompetence, and corruption.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Slavery abolishment was the point, and State’s Rights were the right that the South felt was being removed by those violating 10th Amendment.

The Plantations were mass food producing elements that kept millions alive, and much was sent to Europe, as well. Slavery made that possible, although not right morally. The North exported a lot of products to Britain prior to that time, and were first concerned with states rights, prior to Civil War.

South felt their right to make those decisions were being violated, and slavery was their decision. At that time, many indentured servants worked as slaves, and were Europeans, who signed contracts to come to New World in exchange for labor for a number of years. The 1700s created a mass exodus of Europe.

In below link, the fight between Calhoun and Jackson was a precursor to North and South conflict...Last paragraph link.

http://www.historynet.com/states-rights-civil-war


105 posted on 01/26/2018 9:10:28 AM PST by Ambrosia ( Independent Voter- Southern as grits...Not politically correct! Facts first!)
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To: C19fan

Ryan Cooper, don’t look at us like that. Only women are supposed to look at us like that.


106 posted on 01/26/2018 9:30:22 AM PST by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." --Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: 1010RD; AllAmericanGirl44; Amagi; aragorn; Art in Idaho; Arthur McGowan; Arthur Wildfire! March; ...
Sort of Article V ping.

The author is not advocating a Convention of the States, but a new constitution in the European image. This should provide some good, raw meat for constitutional debaters.

107 posted on 01/26/2018 9:35:33 AM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius available at Amazon)
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To: C19fan

I’ve an idea. Let’s throw Ryan Cooper out.


108 posted on 01/26/2018 9:39:44 AM PST by Kalamata (Meat hooks for Tyrants)
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To: Publius

People who do not see the Constitution as the very acme of human self-governance are total idiots. Obviously he has read zero history about the founding of the nation, the Constitutional Convention, the debates, the issues, the Bill of Rights, the horse-trading and ratification. The most brilliant minds in the history of the world just managed to come together in this small outpost at the end of the world to devise a method of self-governance — what a miracle. All the founders were worried about government usurping the power from the people and preventing that was perhaps the biggest challenge they faced and addressed. They understood well tyrannies and monarchies.


109 posted on 01/26/2018 9:52:50 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: C19fan

No, a parliamentary system is a bad idea. The design was to separate powers and make it more difficult to get things done, so as to protect liberty.


110 posted on 01/26/2018 10:13:03 AM PST by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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To: C19fan

You just can’t fix Stupid.


111 posted on 01/26/2018 10:14:52 AM PST by A Voice (Finally... the adults are in charge. Go Trump!!!)
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To: DiogenesLamp
I forget. Is it you, or one of the other regulars that keep telling me the war wasn't fought over slavery?

I am one of many who have been trying to convince you of that.

I keep pointing out that most people believe that it was.

Based on this? That's like saying most people on FR post nonsense just because you do.

112 posted on 01/26/2018 10:16:14 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Ambrosia
The North exported a lot of products to Britain prior to that time, and were first concerned with states rights, prior to Civil War.

The North had four times the population than the South, and it would be reasonable to believe that the vast majority of exports to Europe came from the North. What I learned in the last few years is that this is not true at all. Between 73 and 83% of all export value came from the South. The South literally produced the vast majority of the incoming European money stream.

Southern Independence was going to cut off this money stream to New York, and it was going to heavily damage their Shipping, Warehousing, Banking, Insurance, etc. Industries.

Southern independence represented a huge loss of financial power for the wealthy and powerful of the North East.

113 posted on 01/26/2018 10:23:48 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: C19fan

This guy has read NO history. Elections fixed by law are a protection of liberty. How convenient would it be for politicians to decide when the elections would be.

And a REAL bicameral legislature is obviously too burdensome! /sarcasm

This author should read John Adams’ A Defence of the Constitutions of Government, as well as Forrest McDonald. Then he wouldn’t come to such silly conclusions.

But authors like this believe that modern times have made society immune from the lessons of history.


114 posted on 01/26/2018 10:32:55 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: DoodleDawg
I am one of many who have been trying to convince you of that.

You have me mistaken for someone else. I have continuously said (since I started getting involved in these civil war threads) that the war was not fought to abolish slavery. The war was fought to restore New York/Washington control over the lucrative Southern export trade. Their initial intent was to reestablish control, and continue USA slavery export production just as it was before.

I am the one that keeps reminding you that most people believe the propaganda that the war was fought to end slavery.

Based on this?

Based on hundreds of comments exactly like this that I have read continuously throughout my life. Most people do indeed believe the war was fought to end slavery.

115 posted on 01/26/2018 10:42:43 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Publius

Yeah, because the Eu is such a wonderful utopia with all the no go zones, the covering up of rapes by migrants, and the shitty economic policies that led to greece and spain’s economic collapse...


116 posted on 01/26/2018 10:46:07 AM PST by GraceG ("It's better to have all the Right Enemies, than it is to have all the Wrong Friends.")
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To: Edward.Fish

it can be done, i believe the trump administration is going to try... but we the people need to follow up with more trump like candidates. the 14th amendment section 3 will play a big part.


117 posted on 01/26/2018 10:47:56 AM PST by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: catman67

“Third fix is that your right to vote is suspended if you take money from the Government, welfare or salary. Otherwise, you have a conflict of interest.”

Personally I think that is the biggy and would solve a host of troubles.


118 posted on 01/26/2018 10:48:44 AM PST by RipSawyer
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To: C19fan

Idiot.


119 posted on 01/26/2018 10:49:47 AM PST by ZULU (Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. - WC)
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To: C19fan

That commie b@$t@rd can go pound salt.


120 posted on 01/26/2018 10:53:18 AM PST by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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