Mormon Cult Leaders Indicted for Forcing Almost Daily Sex Rituals With Underage Girls, Said God (Tr)

newsweek.com ^ | December 29, 2017 | Cristina Maza

[Berlin_Freeper]

A group of Mormon cult leaders is being charged with organizing sexual religious rituals with underage girls and threatening them with damnation if they did not participate, according to court documents filed in Salt Lake City, Utah, on Wednesday.

[HiTech RedNeck]

And... addressing Satan as Satan doesn’t get the maximum power out of hell. Satan is the bible name of the devil. God bestowed the term on the devil. Most Satanism is pretty tame because its evil is really up front in the name Satan and needs an assumption of goodness to contrast to it to give it meaning. The worst devil influences make a concerted effort to look like God, but without the holiness or shareable love or grace. Hence the Allah of Islam. And probably whatever thing the FLDS calls God.

[Bulwyf]

I should of been more clear. The Bible holds the truths. I like the King James bible. Anything else besides the Bible is not of God.

Jesus says he is the only way. We also don’t need other books. Salvation is so simple that a child can understand it.

[HiTech RedNeck]

How about being more exact.

The common view of “religion” is that it’s a handle we pull on God.

The bible view of faith is that it’s a handle God pulls on us. Matters of who permits what and when are, at most, quite secondary to this.

Whether the horse or cart comes first, matters!

[Rapscallion]

they are still of Satan and not of God.

I'm glad it's so simple.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Except of course, ‘scallion, when it isn’t.

We don’t want to be asking the wrong questions any more than it was right for Joseph Smith to be asking the wrong questions.

Salvations are individual things. God can and does reach through the bible, or failing that, through restatements of the same truths through other media, to individual people which He has planned salvation for. And this may sound terribly subjective, but an intent God is really hard to evade, and some bible passages allude to this. He will even let the devil kick you in the pants so that you run squalling to Him, if nothing else gets you off the dime. (The devil kicked me in my pants in a scenario like that.)

[HiTech RedNeck]

I might chuckle a bit and call this “Salvation on the rebound.”

Some of the victims of FLDS molestation may be in this position. That in their distress God knows and purposes that they will reach out to Him, and He will be found. What the means are, are entirely His privilege. Nobody can put this Lion of Judah in a cage.

Now that might sound like a terrible way to get saved, but some souls (hey I ain’t excluding mine) have to go through a lot of hell and high water to get the point. And yet it isn’t without mercy, something that’s better appreciated in retrospect then when there, and one is tempted to break down like a squalling kid whose belly got full and now really craves a nap, not having any trust in how God gets one from point A to point B.

[Bulwyf]

I have a few Mormon friends up here in Alberta, one really good one, he knows where I stand. We’ve had some good discussions, and I think the holy spirit is working on him. I do care enough to talk to people about the truth. I probably need to work on the delivery though.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Nailing down the exact relationships and causalities (inasmuch as we can do so from scripture) helps a whole lot.

The call to salvation looks uncannily like “Hey. I’m God. Would you come this way.” Whatever its individual circumstances. And I don’t even TRY to figure out how He makes predestination work without making us into puppets who cannot exercise capacities that the bible clearly talks about exercising. That wasn’t baked into my brain cells. It’s surely old hat in God’s own mind.

[SkyPilot]

When the FLDS leader (Warren Jeffs) and other leaders were arrested several years ago, there were many threads about this sect, and it always led to the same heated debate:

1. Anti-Mormom folks point out the historical and Mormon teaching/doctrine/practice connection between polygamy and Mormonism (LDS) and the FLDS cult

2. Pro-Mormon folks denounce FLDS and vehemently deny any connection to the modern LDS church

Rather than flog that same dead horse again, I would interject that I recently watched Ken Burns 9 part series on Netflix called "The West." It has many segments on Mormonism, including the epic struggles between Brigham Young and his followers, the US government, Christian Congressmen and leaders, and other forces.

While I knew that Brigham Young finally capitulated against the practice of polygamy, the series did state that some Mormon members continued the practice even despite the official church capitulation. I believe the FLDS is a historical offshoot of this belief and practice.

I also watched a disturbing movie detailing the kidnap, rape, and ordeal of Elizabeth Smart (herself and her family who are Mormons).

Elizabeth Smart herself narrated the program in between dramatic and realistic reenactments.

As the movie and storyline progressed, I found myself disbelieving her explanations more and more. None of it made any logical sense.

Smart had numerous (and I mean numerous) opportunities to run away. She was interviewed by a policeman at a public library. She walked around the streets of Salt Lake City in full view. She walked past her street (1/4 of block away from her own home). She went to a beer and booze party with her captors.

Smart stated that she was terrified they would murder her family, or said she thought she could have been killed on the spot if she tried anything - - but none of those explanation held water. Her captors were unarmed, and she was not chained or restrained through much of her captivity. All she had to do was turn 10 feet away to the right or left, and she would have been in the arms of multiple police officers on numerous occasions.

Even when Elizabeth Smart was finally rescued, the movie account does not match eye witness testimony and police reports. The movie depicts Smart tearfully telling the police who she really was, and stating "I am Elizabeth Smart!" (which is the title of the movie) - but the police say she denied being Smart, even when they had her alone in an interrogation room.

I have since read the reports of multiple psychiatrists, and they state that her behavior is not "Stockholm Syndrome" - because the factors do not match. Her behavior cannot be explained by any previous theories.

Finally, I found accounts from ex-Mormons who solved the puzzle.

It was Smart's upbringing and belief in Mormonism that was behind her strange capitulation and cooperation with her captors.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comments/3gposp/why_elizabeth_smart_did_not_try_to_escape/

"Elizabeth Smart has said this was a main reason she did not run away from her rapist - she knew from church teachings she was now worthless."

But in the movie, Smart stated she feared for her life and families life - departing from her previous statements.

Finally, this article finally fills in the gaps of how Mormonism was part of the toxic stew of her ordeal and strange behavior:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2010/12/elizabeth-smart-verdict/

After that, Joseph prophesied that a member of the church can only receive personal revelation concerning matters within his own “stewardship,” his own domain of authority and control. Therefore, if a man has a wife and children, he may receive revelation from God concerning decisions he must make about his wife and children, and they must obey him—just as he must, in turn, obey those men in higher positions of the church hierarchy, all the way up to the Prophet, who has stewardship over every member of the church. Brian David Mitchell’s father, Shirl Mitchell, not only received word from God that he is the Christ, but then transcribed visions and revelations revealing an entirely new cosmology, which he combined into a 900-page manuscript called “Spokesman for the Infant God or Goddess.” In this way, obedience to authority became the flip side of prophesy, visions, and speaking in tongues. This is the razor’s edge of Mormonism. You are supposed to seek the truth by having direct mystical experiences with spirits and supernatural forces, while at the same time blindly following orders coming down through a social bureaucracy.

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In the modern Mormon Church, contact with the spirit world is managed through rituals enacted in the temple. Inside, there are rooms depicting the world before and after the Fall of Man. Then there is the Celestial Room, which depicts the highest realm of heaven. Inside the Celestial Room there’s a smaller room called the Holy of Holies, and when the Prophet of the Church wants to talk to God, he goes inside the Holy of Holies. There he receives revelation concerning Church doctrine and affairs. Everyone else stays in the Celestial Room and performs the sacred ritual of being “pulled through the veil.”

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Then there was the group of polygamists in central Utah who claimed to be receiving “unanimous revelations,” where not one but all ten men would receive the same revelation at the same time. Angels and apostles and resurrected beings had appeared to them, and they had seen and heard many wonderful things. For instance, they were told they were all new prophets and they should start a new church called “the True and Living Church of Jesus Christ of the Last Days,” which they did. Then God told them that they should become polygamists, which they did. Then, unfortunately, God told only some of them that they should sleep with more than one wife in the bed at a time, which they did, and this caused their quorum of 10 apostles to break apart, as some considered the practice to be an abomination unto the Lord. Prophesy and polygamy often go together. When God speaks to a man and tells him he is the new prophet and must now take charge of the only true church, the next thing He often tells the man is to become a polygamist. This is because one of the responsibilities of being the new prophet is to spread “the seed of David” and produce the new chosen people. This takes a lot of women and a lot of effort. Many people in Salt Lake City, Mormon and non-Mormon, are opposed to polygamy, but very few are in favor of prosecuting and punishing the crime. Thisis because there are a lot of polygamists in these parts, and it would be very expensive and socially chaotic to go after them. Polygamy is a long-established part of the local culture, and, then, we all live in something that resembles a polygamous culture, where affairs and serial monogamy are common. So who will be the first to throw a stone? And what will become of it? In this way, we tolerate polygamy, apparently even among crazy homeless people dressed as characters out of the New Testament. People who saw Mitchell walking around downtown with Wanda and Elizabeth in tow assumed he had taken a young polygamist wife, and nobody questioned him about it, even though the new wife looked very young.

[SkyPilot]

Ping

[MayflowerMadam]

I watched that same Elizabeth Smart show. Crazy. In the library scene, I’m screaming, “Go with him!!” It didn’t make sense to me. And she spent a lot of effort making excuses for why she didn’t go — too much effort.

After reading your post about her being “worthless” in her cult, I kind-of get it.

[HiTech RedNeck]

So... as I read this... she believed her soul would come to nothing if she didn’t obey this stuff, however brutal it got? And the stuff about her life and family’s lives was secondary if anything?

That’s a religion of something, but it’s not something I’d relish being in the grip of. God deliver us from all vestiges of such a thing.

[HiTech RedNeck]

[That’s a religion of something, but it’s not something I’d relish being in the grip of.]

Strictly speaking that would be untrue. I.e. she might have gotten some strange thrill from it too. A thrill of evil. Being able to regain her soul is the only thing that would deliver from that perverted thrill. She’d have to repudiate all that tied her mind to it. And that requires the embrace of a better thing. A thing that is not afraid to say no to the perps.

[SkyPilot]

Yes - Elizabeth Smart believed (and was taught by the LDS church through numerous classes) that if she was no longer a virgin, she was akin to a piece of bubble gum that had been chewed, or a piece of cake thrown in a dumpster.

I also read several articles where the residents of Salt Lake City were embarassed and then angry at media inquiries as to why hundreds of people attested to seeing smart walking through downtown, into public buildings, into stores...and no one could put 2+2 together. There were literally people who were looking at her missing picture plastered all over the place, and then at her in her weird veil, but turned away and did nothing.

The underpinnings of Mormon teaching helped to cause her situation to become what it became. Moreover, the behavior of Smart's father after she was finally freed bordered on the strange to outside observers, but it all made sense once you realized that he was seeing things from the Mormon perspective.

Smart was raped up to 4 times per day - a horrific experience for anyone, epecially a frightened young girl. But even in her interviews, it became clear that she believed that Mormon teaching told her that once raped, she could never valued again.

https://www.ranker.com/list/horrible-elizabeth-smart-facts/lea-rose-emery

"'I remember him forcing me onto the ground, [and] fighting the whole way,' Smart told People. 'And then when he was finished, he stood up, and I was left alone, feeling absolutely broken, absolutely shattered. I was broken beyond repair. I was going to be thrown away.'"

It is difficult for people to fully grasp how such horrors like the FLDS cult, where girls from 8-14 were raped and filmed, could be tolerated by other human beings in the same cult.

In order to process this, one has to look deeper. Much deeper, into what has shaped their beliefs.

[SkyPilot]

I watched that same Elizabeth Smart show. Crazy. In the library scene, I’m screaming, “Go with him!!” It didn’t make sense to me. And she spent a lot of effort making excuses for why she didn’t go — too much effort.

Same here. My wife raised the BS flag immediately, and stated that something was fishy, or someone was lying.

She is a nurse, and has a very good BS detector. Patients are great at lying, especially addicted ones. But she can see through almost anything.

P.S. - I can't get away with anything either - LOL!

[lightman]

Mormonism is a cult which has gained respectability only through longevity and amassing property: “success”.

Otherwise it is essentially the North American version of Islam: blood oaths (cutting ear from ear), sacred writings revealed by an “angel” which no one can find, deity appeasing rituals and sacred undergarments.

[usacon]

Get a life.

[sauropod]

Rvil

[Tennessee Nana]

1890 ???

No the last polygamous leader of the Salt Lake City LDS didn’t die until 1945 ...He was the “president” and “prophet” until his death...

He married all his wives after 1890...

The leader who made that declaration in 1890 also married more under aged wives after 1890...as did the later leaders...

the declaration was only to satisfy the US government which was about to confiscate land and possessions, and to allow Utah territory to become a state...

after Utah became a state, the first elect6ed congressman was banned from sitting because of all his wives ...

7 million signatures on a petition poured into Washington from around the country from people objecting to the indecencies of Mormonism, and demanding that he not be allowed to be seated...and so he wasn’t...

But he was OK with the Mormons...not the FLDS but those same ones you champion...they readily voted for him...AFTER 1890...

Polygamy is part and parcel of Mormon belief...womanizing was the reason Joey Smith invented his new religion...

These modern day Smithians are just doing what their hero and leader told them too...

Joey had 40+ wives ...all alive at the same time...the youngest was 14...one of the youngest that he came on to was only 12...

Oh and Joey Smith also was a convicted felon...

Oh and Willard M Romney’s own father was born to polygamous parents....in Mexico...far from the reach of the US decency laws...

[trebb]

Happens with degenerates of all religions - I don't believe in Mormonism but picking them out in this serves no purpose w/o addressing a lot of other really bad things by those in religions across the board.

When Donnie and Marie are indicted for sexual perversion, I'll join this effort to harp on Mormons as the baddest of the bad.