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Object on tracks may be cause of deadly Amtrak derailment
NYPost.com ^ | 12-18-2017 | Bruce Golding and Bob Fredericks

Posted on 12/18/2017 12:35:57 PM PST by servo1969

Monday’s deadly Amtrak train derailment appears to have been caused by an object on the railway, according to a government official briefed on the crash.

A preliminary investigation suggests maintenance problems are unlikely to blame because the incident took place on brand-new tracks, the official told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity.

At least six people were killed and the death toll is expected to rise, the official said.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: 501; amtrak; derailment; i5; lacey; oregon; portland; seattle
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To: Paladin2

Looks like sabotage more and more.


41 posted on 12/18/2017 1:17:31 PM PST by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: MileHi

Certainly raises the probability.


42 posted on 12/18/2017 1:18:24 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

Darn...like the Number 4 Turn at Talladega...


43 posted on 12/18/2017 1:18:35 PM PST by moovova
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To: Uncle Sam 911

That’s a long shot.

I much rather blame Antifa or muslims or even aliens than some poor homeless veteran sleeping out in the cold. Anyway, the homeless should relocate to southern California where it’s warm.


44 posted on 12/18/2017 1:20:24 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: MileHi
The passenger cars on this rig remind me of a previous proposal:

It's a GM Truck & Bus train...

45 posted on 12/18/2017 1:20:37 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: servo1969

In those pictures, you can see that the “high-speed tracks” are not enclosed - anybody could walk up onto those from the road ...

Go to Europe or Japan, look at their high-speed lines, they’re all tightly fenced with tall barb-wire-topped systems, nobody can get in.

“just sayin”


46 posted on 12/18/2017 1:22:04 PM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: servo1969; All

You can see the straight line path plowed by the lead engine down to the freeway (dirt, damaged tree bark etc). it is clear that the actual derailment occurred well before the bridge - prior to the curve over the bridge.


47 posted on 12/18/2017 1:24:23 PM PST by Godzilla ( I just love the smell of COVFEFE in the morning . . . . .)
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To: servo1969; All

I wonder if the orange A’s spraypainted on the locomotive are from investigators? It looks like there’s a cleaned or faded one on the bridge too...


48 posted on 12/18/2017 1:25:10 PM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: al_c

“Based on what, exactly?”

Skimming reports on other sites, could be Antifa did this to protest fracking supplies/equipment being transported in this neck of the woods. But we won’t know for a long time, if ever.


49 posted on 12/18/2017 1:27:33 PM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: servo1969

Probably a cover story for an incompetent operator, too much speed for the curve.


50 posted on 12/18/2017 1:27:43 PM PST by clintonh8r (I've been banned from TheHill.com. #Proud)
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To: MileHi

No sabotage was necessary. This was more likely another case of extreme stupidity by government and government employees.

In the end this will most likely be found to have been caused by a train traveling 81 mph on a CURVED section of track that had a maximum speed of 79 mph on the STRAIGHT sections of track. The state of Washington spent nearly a billion dollars that was suppose to save a handful of mostly recreational passengers 4 minutes on the run to Seattle to Portland.

It was noted both on the practice run with dignitaries on Friday and today before the crash that the new route was actually slower than the mainline route. The train was behind schedule again this morning. My guess is that the government employee engineer was pressured to demonstrate that the Billion dollars had not been spent in vain and to pick up the pace.


51 posted on 12/18/2017 1:27:53 PM PST by fireman15
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To: Cementjungle

I squashed penny’s back in 1962 on a RR track. I never found most of them for some reason? Could it be?


52 posted on 12/18/2017 1:29:25 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: MayflowerMadam

So not “clearly” ... got it.


53 posted on 12/18/2017 1:31:16 PM PST by al_c (LIBERAL - Laughable Iconsiderate Blaming Entitled Ranting Anti-christian Loudmouth)
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To: canuck_conservative
Go to Europe or Japan, look at their high-speed lines, they’re all tightly fenced with tall barb-wire-topped systems, nobody can get in.

Yep, and no grade crossings.

54 posted on 12/18/2017 1:31:19 PM PST by jaydubya2
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To: Godzilla

The curve is right before the bridge. Looks to me like it went straight off the curve and onto the highway.


55 posted on 12/18/2017 1:33:15 PM PST by al_c (LIBERAL - Laughable Iconsiderate Blaming Entitled Ranting Anti-christian Loudmouth)
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To: servo1969
Looks like the lead engine (white) left the track before crossing the bridge, taking most of the cars with it.

The engine plunged down the embankment all the way to the roadway below, and the cars wadded up against the bridge railing.

The last two cars and the trailing engine (blue) remain on the track, blocking it.

Nothing else is apparent as to cause of the derailment. Could be human error, sabotage, failure in the track, failure in the lead engine, any number of reasons.

Need some close inspection of the track where the lead engine initially left the tracks. And find any loose pieces, where they belong, and where they went. A train wheel off in the woods half a mile away? A piece of rail missing/misaligned?

Also there should be a record of what speed the train was running when it wrecked.

56 posted on 12/18/2017 1:36:35 PM PST by ZOOKER (Until further notice the /s is implied...)
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To: mazda77

Looks like the locomotive on the highway. It would seem pulled


57 posted on 12/18/2017 1:36:40 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: servo1969

LABRAT KNATS
Is that the rail liine?


58 posted on 12/18/2017 1:36:48 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: canuck_conservative

In the US, 80 mph is pretty much an Amtrak minimum, and with all the miles of the lines, open access.


59 posted on 12/18/2017 1:39:53 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: servo1969

According to the pix on 24, It appears the Lab Rat Knats are taking credit.


60 posted on 12/18/2017 1:40:42 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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