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Chuck Schumer would like bomb detection at bus and rail hubs
Hot Air.com ^ | December 17, 2017 | JAZZ SHAW

Posted on 12/17/2017 7:20:49 AM PST by Kaslin

The fumblewear bomber may have experienced one of the classic fails in terrorist society, but he’s clearly having an impact nonetheless. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) is pushing a sense of urgency in getting some sort of bomb detection system in place in the nation’s mass transit hubs such as bus and rail stations. This is an understandable, if reflexive response to an attempted terror attack and if it could be implemented both safely and effectively I’m guessing most of us would be willing to at least give it a look. But can it be done? (Associated Press)

Screening devices that detect suicide vests like the one that exploded in a New York City subway tunnel are being tested in a Los Angeles transit station, but U.S. Sen. Chuck Schumer said Sunday the Transportation Security Administration should speed up plans to deploy the technology nationally.

“The fact that we have this new, potentially life-saving technology at our fingertips — an ability to detect concealed explosives worn by cowards looking to do us harm — demands the federal government put both the testing and the perfecting of this technology on the fast-track,” Schumer said. “We not only want these devices in America’s busiest cities, like New York, but we need them here.”

The Los Angeles Metropolitan Transportation Authority is partnering with TSA to test devices known as stand-off explosive detection units, which do a full-body screening of passengers walking through a station without slowing them down. If an explosive device is detected, it triggers an alarm. The operator, a transit employee, sees a camera image of the passenger on a computer screen, but no anatomical details.

Attacks by Islamic extremists are a fact of life now, unfortunately, so I don’t want to just write this idea off without giving it a fair shake. But there are some obvious questions to be answered right up front. The standing issue with adding more layers of security at travel hubs is that no matter where you put the security wall, people will begin backing up there. All such a plan does is move the soft target further away from the central location, providing a potential bomber with even easier access to a crowd. The description of the new screening system being tested claims that it conducts, “screening of passengers walking through a station without slowing them down.”

That sounds great, but is it even possible? The feds are currently testing QinetiQ’s SPO stand-off threat detection system. I’ll confess that I was not at all familiar with this technology so I had to do a bit of digging. Rather than some sort of x-ray or body scanning machine like we go through at airports, this is a passive system which detects millimeter band light and heat emissions (I think?) from people passing in front of the sensor looking for anomalous regions where the person might be hiding an explosive belt or other device. This brief promotional video from the manufacturer gives a rundown of how it’s supposed to work so take a look.

QinetiQ's SPO stand-off threat detection system

f you watch the video you’ll see that it really looks like the system still needs each person passing through the security area to come up one at a time and be scanned by the camera. Yes, that’s probably at least somewhat faster than emptying all your pockets, going into the airport’s full-body scanner and holding up your arms while it spins around, but it still requires people to stand in line and approach the scanning area one at a time. Given the crowds of people who walk en masse through the Port Authority in New York City at rush hour, this would still create a massive logjam of humanity, perfect for an aspiring bomber.

We also need to consider the dual questions of false positives and what happens if you actually find someone with a suicide belt on. This is really bleeding edge technology so I was unable to find any data on testing and false positive rates, but if the system is triggered, won’t you need to shut down the entire flow of people entering while you check it out? It would only take one or two in an hour to have the entire platform access area grind to a halt in a busy rail station.

And what if you do find somebody with a suicide belt? The video shows actors who are “detected” with a bunch of fake C4 strapped around their waists looking glum and guilty after they are “discovered,” but an actual bomber’s first reaction at being pulled out of the line for a physical inspection would be to just detonate the bomb, right?

I’m all for investigating any viable options to increase security, but if we’re going to do this at the bus and rail systems they will become even more of a nightmare than the airport TSA stations already are. (The number of people using the subway system in New York City each day dwarfs the traffic at a major airport by several orders of magnitude.) At that point, we may as well just shut down mass transit entirely. If somebody can make Schumer’s idea actually work I’d be all for it, but this looks like it cause more problems than it solves.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; US: New York
KEYWORDS: bombings; chuckschumer; chuckyouschumer; newyork; newyorkcity; publictransit; screening; trainstation; upchuckschumer
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To: Kaslin

Far better to repatriate the Muslims to their own countries then to further steal our American liberties


21 posted on 12/17/2017 7:41:14 AM PST by faithhopecharity (“Politicians aren’t born, they’re excreted.” - Marcus Tillius Cicero (3 BCE))
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To: CatOwner

That’s a great idea and suggestion! Add Liberals to the equation and you have a deal!


22 posted on 12/17/2017 7:42:31 AM PST by Howie66 ("Tone down the tagline please." - Admin Moderator)
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To: faithhopecharity

I agree, but what about those that converted to Islam?


23 posted on 12/17/2017 7:46:48 AM PST by Kaslin (Quid est Veritas?: What Is Truth?)
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To: Paladin2

I don’t think you are the only one.


24 posted on 12/17/2017 7:48:58 AM PST by Kaslin (Quid est Veritas?: What Is Truth?)
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To: Kaslin

25 posted on 12/17/2017 7:50:32 AM PST by null and void (The internet gave everyone a mouth. It gave no one a brain.)
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To: Vaquero

I have no idea, but it wouldn’t surprise me. He’s a rat and as such a hypocrite.


26 posted on 12/17/2017 7:50:39 AM PST by Kaslin (Quid est Veritas?: What Is Truth?)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Send Chuckles a free paid for”Walking Tour” Trip to Jerusalem, I’m sure he’ll love it.


27 posted on 12/17/2017 7:51:34 AM PST by chatham
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To: chatham

Get rid of ALL illegals and there will be money available. Fewer bombs going off too.


28 posted on 12/17/2017 7:53:01 AM PST by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: Kaslin
"That detect suicide vest like the one that exploded in a New York City subway tunnel"

He wants to detect sugar and match heads?

29 posted on 12/17/2017 7:54:15 AM PST by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, chances will be taken that's for sureautjor)
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To: Kaslin

schmuckface schumer is the reason we suffer from chain immigration!! He should stick those detection devices up his A hole! Crying idiot supports terrorism on these shores


30 posted on 12/17/2017 7:56:02 AM PST by ronnie raygun (Trump plays chess the rest are still playing checkers)
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To: Kaslin

its the muslim perps who brought this shit upon us.

Schumer is right.

What Schumer need to say is we need a perp detector the entrances to America.
Nearly all of this is due to muslims and their government , sharia and their need to force it on the world.

We need to keep the perps/enemy combatants out of America. Let them have their intifadas in Iran.


31 posted on 12/17/2017 7:57:11 AM PST by himno hero (hadnuff)
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To: Kaslin

Got a better solution. The “Govt Reciprocity Act” (aka the “F* YOU Govt, You Work For US”) bill.

While in office, they and theirs pay EVERYTHING out of their own pocket and *MUST* utilize the PUBLIC product of any/all services available.

No more h’care, body-guards, chauffeurs, private education...down to the in-house barber/gym and the like. If it’s not tele-commute, it’s on THEIR dime.

Let ‘em find the spots they can afford to live and mass-transit into D.C. like the rest of the riff-raff, go through the SAME security measures, fly coach w/ TSA screening.


32 posted on 12/17/2017 7:59:47 AM PST by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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To: Kaslin

Chuckles wants to rule us like cattle.


33 posted on 12/17/2017 8:12:21 AM PST by Noumenon (Irony: Those who tell us we don't need a border wall whIle living in gated communities.)
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To: Kaslin

Would it also detect concealed firearms? I’m sure the Democrats can squeeze in another infringement on our Second Amendment rights.


34 posted on 12/17/2017 8:15:38 AM PST by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Progressives spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: Kaslin
The tyrannical, greedy, Draconian oligarchy stooge farts again.

May all such speedily fall in the ditch they have dug for the rest of us.

35 posted on 12/17/2017 8:25:56 AM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: ClearCase_guy

yup - the TSA is worse than useless, it’s just a holding cell for graft waste and mismanagement.


36 posted on 12/17/2017 8:34:32 AM PST by vooch (America First Drain the Swamp as)
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To: Kaslin

Knowing this old corrupt commie cooch, his measures would involve strip searching all white people while passing out bombs to muzzie swine.


37 posted on 12/17/2017 8:34:46 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists...Socialists...Fascists & AntiFa...Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Kaslin

Not sure. Let’s at least repatriate all the invaders/ immigrants first and then see


38 posted on 12/17/2017 8:37:40 AM PST by faithhopecharity (“Politicians aren’t born, they’re excreted.” - Marcus Tillius Cicero (3 BCE))
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To: ClearCase_guy

Absolutely.

Least remember Chertoff and his association with the only company approved for airport screening equipment, while he was DHS Secretary.

Knew some people in DHS who were very happy their investigative and security work was of great value when Tom Ridge was the boss. Then everything went upside down when Chertoff moved in. Got rid of the security experts and then brought in nothing but lawyers.


39 posted on 12/17/2017 8:40:09 AM PST by mazda77
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To: Kaslin; All

Since the ATF has a reputation for missing firearms, bomb detectors cannot be 100% reliable either.

Corrections, insights welcome.

So we need bomb detectors and Trump’s wall.


40 posted on 12/17/2017 9:05:13 AM PST by Amendment10
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