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To: JP1201

[[ none of us are safe]]

Sure you are bucky- just listen to the police- follow instructions and don’t engage i inactions that can and will be interpreted as aggressive or dangerous such as reaching for a gun

There w2as NOTHING complicated about “Do NOT reach your hands in any direction or towards the small of tyour back or behind you- if you do this WILL BE SEEN as a threat and we WILL deal with you in an equally agressive manner-” ( or soemthign to that effect)

Seemed pretty clear to me-

HOWEVER, having said that- the cop probably should have said “Keep your hands in the air at all times and knee walk towards me like you wife just did- and as long as you do NOT drop your hands for ANY reason- you will come out of this alive and well”


11 posted on 12/11/2017 1:14:19 PM PST by Bob434
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To: Bob434
Seemed pretty clear to me-

Seemed pretty clear to me, Bucky, that the LEO was shrieking at the top of his lungs like a frightened little girl, making a perfectly manageable situation as bad as he possibly could.

But the important thing is that the LEO went home safely to his family that night. Whether anybody else did is irrelevant.

And I hope lawyers wind up owning his house, his vehicles, his bank accounts, his IRAs, etc.

25 posted on 12/11/2017 1:23:27 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (<img src="http://i.imgur.com/WukZwJP.gif" width=800>)
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To: Bob434

You honestly think that is all there is to this, you are blind or so pro-cop they could do nothing wrong in your eyes.


33 posted on 12/11/2017 1:32:55 PM PST by No_More_Harkin
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To: Bob434

Practice this: cross your legs and knee walk, doesn’t happen...one can’t even crawl in this position.

His “wife,” which she was not...didn’t comply if you watch closely...she uncrossed her legs.

There is a longer version of the video available on youtube. I am tired of posting...go find it yourself. These cops messed up from the time they received the call.

Truly they did. Lots and lots of mistakes made to heighten the officers adrenaline long before Daniel Shaver even made it into the hallway. They didn’t even have a rap sheet, sufficient ammo (officer had to borrow some), room key, understand the noise dampening in the hallway, had to call them from the frontdesk to come out into th hallway where it is very clear both of them are more than startled, had to go back to the front desk to get the keycard....right...these cops had themselves all under control. Baugh!!!


34 posted on 12/11/2017 1:34:27 PM PST by EBH ( May God Save the Republic)
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To: Bob434
" . . . and as long as you do NOT drop your hands for ANY reason- you will come out of this alive and well[,]”

You're interpretation of the whole event is poor. The cop, evaluated with poor job performance ratings, ordered Shaver to crawl on his knees with his legs crossed. You try it. Shaver had underwear that he was losing. So, again, you try crawling on your knees with your underwear falling down. Terrified, Shaver reached to pull up his underwear. That's very clear from the video. He was trying to comply with the officer's orders.

Further, a department investigator, not named in news accounts that I have seen, said that he saw no reason that the officers could not have simply walked over and handcuffed Shaver.

It is clear. The cop was looking for an excuse to execute shaver. He got it, and he shot and killed him.

Murder. Pure and simple.
56 posted on 12/11/2017 1:52:50 PM PST by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: Bob434
I have rheumatoid arthritis and I could not have done that: neither in reference to the knees nor the arms.

As soon a he was down and had his arms out, he should have been cuffed, and that's the end of it. This was murder. M U R D E R.

57 posted on 12/11/2017 1:53:09 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire)
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To: Bob434

The guy was .3 over the limit. Everthing was complicated for him.

What the cop did was unconscionable. I hope he gets what is coming to him, soon and hard.

Cops have burned through a lot of good will over the last 20 years.

At least he went home alive after his shift. /sarc


66 posted on 12/11/2017 2:07:12 PM PST by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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To: Bob434

He was a fat guy, causing poor balance and knee pain resulting in involuntary pain reaction.

Try walking that way yourself and see how long you would have lived.

Murder and Electric Chair on slow fry on AC.


68 posted on 12/11/2017 2:11:28 PM PST by Surrounded_too
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To: Bob434

Slave. By choice.


76 posted on 12/11/2017 2:27:37 PM PST by raybbr (That progressive bumper sticker on your car might just as well say, "Yes, I'm THAT stupid!")
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To: Bob434

That’s idiotic and poor tactics. He had the guy prone doubt Hands Extended face down on the floor. They had absolute control over him and six cops in the hallway it would have been easy to cut him and get him out of there. Instead they wanted him to crawl on his knees with his ankles crossed in his underwear


121 posted on 12/11/2017 6:25:21 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ... we.)
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To: Bob434

If this sort of thing continues, cops will not be safe in their own homes.

The people will rise up against them.

Sure, that’s a lot of bad-ass cops that think they can take on the world.

Until they realize some of the world has military training that equals or bests their own. Random, faceless people who can hit 100% of the time from 500 yds or more.

They are servants that must learn humility. If they can’t handle the job without “mistakes” like in this video, they need to find another line of work.


128 posted on 12/11/2017 7:56:27 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Bob434

People like you make the world a worse place. The man was murdered by a tattooed psychopath with a badge.


133 posted on 12/11/2017 8:24:18 PM PST by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: Bob434

So cops et to play little piggy says do .... with deadly force. They killed an unarmed man.. one got fired for previous violent behavior and the other fled the country. You think this was a good job but the 2 living participants don’t even believe it.

BOB YOU ARE JUST PLAIN STUPID. I hope you meet your beloved boots on your throat and we can cheer on your death as a valid execution.

Bob are you either a current or retired law enFORCEment officer by chance or just that scared (pussy)?


170 posted on 12/11/2017 8:57:59 PM PST by wgmalabama
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