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Air Force could face record lawsuits over mass shooting
stripes.com ^ | Nov. 17, 2017 | Nancy Montgomery

Posted on 11/18/2017 10:31:51 AM PST by PROCON

The Air Force faces many millions of dollars in potential liability for the mass shooting at a small-town church in Texas earlier this month by a former servicemember, legal experts say.

“I think it’s almost inevitable that the Air Force will be sued,” said retired Lt. Gen. Richard Harding, former judge advocate general of the service. “And I think there’s a case that can be made, you bet.”

If lawsuits against the Air Force were successful, said Don Christensen, the service’s former top prosecutor, the damages could be huge.

“What is being shot while you’re in church, watching your baby be killed — what’s it worth?” Christensen said. “I don’t see how it’s not the biggest financial payout in the history of the Air Force.”

U.S. laws rarely provide for victims of gun violence to seek compensation in civil lawsuits, and the doctrine of sovereign immunity prevents many lawsuits against the government. But this case is exceptional, experts said.

Devin Kelley, who killed and injured scores of parishioners on Nov. 5 in Texas’ worst mass shooting, was convicted of domestic violence assault in 2012 while in the Air Force. Under a 1996 law precluding spouse and child abusers from possessing firearms, the service’s Office of Special Investigations should have entered that conviction into an FBI database.

The office didn’t, the Air Force has acknowledged. What’s more, the acts Kelley pleaded guilty to — breaking his baby stepson’s skull and hitting and kicking his then-wife — were punishable by imprisonment of more than a year. That qualifies them as felonies, which must be entered into the database.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanmilitarynews.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: airforce; banglist; devinpatrickkelley; lawsuit; masshooting; negligence; texas; usaf
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Horrible tragedy.

Negligence is obvious.

1 posted on 11/18/2017 10:31:51 AM PST by PROCON
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To: PROCON

Not the Air Force... taxpayers.


2 posted on 11/18/2017 10:37:03 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj ("It's Slappin' Time !")
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To: PROCON

Lawsuits can be very beneficial in cases like this


3 posted on 11/18/2017 10:37:07 AM PST by Chauncey Gardiner
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I only want to know if the Air Force is pursuing charges the personnel who failed to properly perform their duties. If not, then personnel will not change their behavior.


4 posted on 11/18/2017 10:40:04 AM PST by reed13k
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Then maybe it will stir the brain dead tax payers.


5 posted on 11/18/2017 10:40:08 AM PST by mazda77
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To: PROCON
Negligence is obvious.

While I could certainly agree with that. Even if that dude could not get weapons legally, if he was really intent on killing a bunch of people, he could have bought them from the gang bangers on the street.

6 posted on 11/18/2017 10:40:14 AM PST by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
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To: PROCON

I always thought one of the procedures before a prisoner could be released was to put their crimes into the database, that they could not be released otherwise. They do this exactly to prevent this kind of stuff from happening. So how was he released and WHY was he released? Isn’t smashing in a kids head attempted murder? A felony? So was he give a year? Freakin’ tax offenders get more time than that, ridiculous.


7 posted on 11/18/2017 10:40:26 AM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Trump: Greatest POTUS of all time solely for preventing Satan from taking office.)
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To: PROCON

Oh yes taxpayers will pay. Part of the reason the desk jockey neglected to file it


8 posted on 11/18/2017 10:40:44 AM PST by stanne
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I doubt that a “desk jockey” was to blame for this. With almost all dishonorable discharges not filed, that had to be an officers decision much higher up the food chain. The desk jockeys were following orders.


9 posted on 11/18/2017 11:09:01 AM PST by jim_trent
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To: reed13k; PROCON

>> personnel will not change their behavior.

 

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-lesbian-with-wife-and-two-kids-selected-to-lead-u.s.-air-force-aca

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/11/08/a-black-student-wrote-those-racist-messages-that-shook-the-air-force-academy/?utm_term=.fc23a3f354a5

Holdin’ muh breath for Technocratic Utopian Progresssssseeeeeives in the Military Industrial Swamp to change their behavior....   NOT.

More Drainage!

TRUMP2020.


10 posted on 11/18/2017 11:11:36 AM PST by HLPhat ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS" -- Government with any other purpose is not American.)
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To: PROCON

Getting darn tired of reading the improper usage of the word “parishioners” in articles about this tragedy.


11 posted on 11/18/2017 11:38:15 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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I hope so.

The chair force has some of the most incompetent clowns I’ve ever worked with in my current occupation. And I’m referring to Officers.


12 posted on 11/18/2017 11:41:33 AM PST by Roman_War_Criminal (Americans are modern day Amorites ripe for destruction)
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To: PROCON

It’s OK
DEMs and Pubbies are crafting a NEW gun law that enforce laws we ALREADY have in order to prevent acts like this that are punishable by DEATH in Tx


13 posted on 11/18/2017 11:52:07 AM PST by mylife
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Air Force Taxpayers could face record lawsuits over mass shooting

Fixed it.

14 posted on 11/18/2017 12:23:49 PM PST by bkopto
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To: Mark17
While I could certainly agree with that. Even if that dude could not get weapons legally, if he was really intent on killing a bunch of people, he could have bought them from the gang bangers on the street.

This lawsuit will probably not go anywhere. The shooter didn't have to get the guns from “gang bangers”. He only would have had to purchase them from legally from a private party. There are no restrictions on sales of firearms between private parties in Texas and there is no background check required in this type of transaction.

“This is the most common transaction and by far the most profitable one to boot. In the state of Texas you do not have to transfer ownership of the firearm via a dealer, nor do you have to have the firearm re-registered as there is no such firearms registration in the state of Texas.”

https://www.texasguntalk.com/threads/how-to-sell-a-gun-in-texas-private-sales-face-to-face-transfer-and-other-options.7685/

15 posted on 11/18/2017 12:28:11 PM PST by fireman15
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To: T-Bird45

OK, I’ll bite, what is improper?


16 posted on 11/18/2017 12:35:29 PM PST by Balding_Eagle ( The Great Wall of Trump ---- 100% sealing of the border. Coming soon.)
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To: T-Bird45
Getting darn tired of reading the improper usage of the word “parishioners” in articles about this tragedy.

Not quite sure how the word "parishioners" doesn't describe church members?

17 posted on 11/18/2017 12:51:25 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Balding_Eagle

“Parishioner” refers to those attending a Catholic church that is organized by geographical parishes. It does not apply to any member/attendee of a Protestant church and most definitely not a Southern Baptist Church. It’s a usage that wouldn’t have slipped by any editor worthy of the name and job. That function does not exist in modern online “journalism”.


18 posted on 11/18/2017 12:56:45 PM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Drew68

see reply #18


19 posted on 11/18/2017 12:57:44 PM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: PROCON

Very hard to sue the government!!!


20 posted on 11/18/2017 12:58:56 PM PST by ontap
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