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Do Conservatives And Liberals Have Enough in Common to Keep A Country Together Anymore?
Townhall.com ^ | Nov 18, 2017 | John Hawkins

Posted on 11/17/2017 11:36:10 PM PST by Oshkalaboomboom

“When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.” – The Declaration of Independence

Remember the woman who was fired for flipping off Trump’s motorcade? Well, she has been deluged with job offers from liberals and a Gofundme set up in her name has raised 117k dollars and counting. This seems like a small thing, but it’s indicative of where we are as a society.

There was a time when doing something trashy like flipping off a presidential motorcade would be frowned upon -- not because everyone loves the President, but because no one with class would do anything like that. Those days are gone and they’ve been replaced by non-stop trolling, outright hatred of people with differing opinions and grotesque tribalism. Gridlock has become the rule of the day in Congress for a number of reasons, but one of the biggest is that the Right and Left simply don’t agree on much anymore.

Just as an example, ask yourself this question: how many of the fundamental questions about American life do you agree with Barack Obama or Nancy Pelosi on? Think about the basic questions of American life.

The Constitution? Conservatives believe in it. Liberals believe in a “living Constitution” which is fundamentally no different than having no Constitution at all.

Religion? Conservatives tend to believe in Judeo-Christian values. Even atheists who are conservative tend to at least be friendly to those values. Liberals mock Judeo-Christian values.

What about patriotism? Conservatives tend to love their country. Liberals love this country like a wife-beater loves his spouse.

Conservatives tend to be capitalists. Liberals tend to be socialists. Conservatives believe people should be judged by the content of their character, not the color of their skin. Liberals believe your race defines you. Conservatives believe in equality of opportunity. Liberals believe in equality of results. Conservatives believe in freedom of speech. Liberals are fine with silencing people that disagree with them. Conservatives believe in small government. Liberals believe in a frighteningly powerful central government dictating your every move.

That last one is perhaps the most significant because if liberals could live the way they want in California, New York and Connecticut while conservatives could live as they please in Texas, South Carolina and Utah, we could shrug off our differences. As the government in Washington becomes ever more powerful, that is no longer allowed.

Getting back to that central question, what do you agree with Nancy Pelosi or Barack Obama on? There are certainly some things. For example, Nancy Pelosi represents San Francisco and presumably likes the city. I’ve visited and certainly liked it as well. Barack Obama likes golf and basketball. Certainly there are plenty of conservatives who feel the same way. If we got right down to it, there are probably plenty of conservatives who like the same clothes, restaurants and TV shows that Obama and Pelosi do…but, is that enough to hold together a nation over the long haul?

America is going to be testing that proposition over the next few decades.

Recently, a Republican group in North Carolina asked me to come out and speak. After my speech, there was a Q&A session and someone there asked me, “Is it time for people who love their country to get their guns, head to D.C. and do something about what’s happening in our country?”

Just to be clear, he wasn’t advocating a terrorist attack or a random shooting; he was asking if it is time for patriots who love this country to attempt to overthrow the government to help bring our nation back to Constitutional governance.

What DIDN’T happen is worth noting. Nobody laughed. Nobody shouted, “Oh, come on!” Nobody said, “Oh, that’s just crazy, Dave. You’ll have to excuse him and his wild questions.” Instead, people sat quietly and listened for my response.

The short version of what I told him was “no.” It is not time to split the country apart and have a revolution. That’s a very extreme step and it should only be taken in the direst of circumstances

The longer version of what I told him is that he’s right to be concerned about the country and that, yes, it is entirely possible we won’t hold together long term. What happens when we – almost inevitably at this point – have a debt-driven economic crash which causes Social Security and Medicare to be gutted? Other than wanting to get those checks, what do we have holding us together anymore? Eating lunch at McDonald’s? Watching The Walking Dead? NFL games….oh wait, sorry. We don’t even have that anymore.

We have broken bonds as a nation before: first, with the British, then during the Civil War. Regrettably, we may be headed toward another break down the road. That’s not something anyone should welcome, but when large percentages of the population are forced to live under grating rules they disagree with in the strongest of terms, paid for with increasingly large amounts of tax money they didn’t want to give up and implemented by people they don’t like, respect or feel bound to as a people, no wise person should assume that will continue indefinitely.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: culturewar; leftism; liberalism; progressivism; twocountries
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

America is becoming Brazil racially

It ain’t going to work


81 posted on 11/18/2017 9:15:10 AM PST by wardaddy (As a southerner I've never trusted the Grand Old Party.....any questions?)
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To: edie1960

Central Maryland seems hopeless


82 posted on 11/18/2017 9:16:30 AM PST by wardaddy (As a southerner I've never trusted the Grand Old Party.....any questions?)
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To: edie1960

Nice post. Gives me some hope for the not too distant future...


83 posted on 11/18/2017 9:18:37 AM PST by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

Liberals have lost the war all they have left is Ca and NY and that’s not a win now they have to live in the hell they created.


84 posted on 11/18/2017 9:30:55 AM PST by Vaduz (women and children to be impacted the most.)
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To: Vlad The Inhaler

interesting points


85 posted on 11/18/2017 11:02:44 AM PST by Loud Mime (Liberalism: Intolerance masquerading as tolerance, Ignorance masquerading as Intelligence)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

Bttt.

5.56mm


86 posted on 11/18/2017 11:13:34 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: wardaddy

My state is at the mercy of the democratic bastions of Baltimore City/County and Montgomery and Prince Georges County in the D.C. suburbs.
My county of Harford and most of the Eastern Shore and Western Maryland is relatively moderate to somewhat conservative.


87 posted on 11/18/2017 11:56:12 AM PST by edie1960
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Thank you so much.
Awesome to think I could offer a ray of hope for our future.


88 posted on 11/18/2017 11:57:19 AM PST by edie1960
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To: BroJoeK

I did vote for The Gipper both times and appreciate what he did for our country. He took over from Carter who had left us profoundly weak and it was amazing how he regained respect for the United States, much in the same way President Trump is doing now on the world stage.
I did vote for his Veep, Bush 41, both times as well as for Bush 43 in 2004. Sometimes, voting is done with little to no inspiration as in those cases.

Today, I wish that the congressional democrats, under Pelosi and Schumer, would do what was/is right for the nation and genuinely work with President Trump a la Tip O’Neill.

I pray that it won’t come to a bloody Civil War and I dread the prospect that President Trump will be totally obstructed by a divided government after next year’s midterms. Moreover, I fear all they will focus on is impeachment!!
God forbid, President Trump represents thee last hope to save our republic, traditional values and what’s remains of the free world.


89 posted on 11/18/2017 12:07:17 PM PST by edie1960
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Thanks for the kind welcome.
I did vote for President Reagan both times, Bush 41 both times and for Bush 43 in 2004.
However, none of them affected me enough to switch parties to participate in our GOP primary. Only (President) Trump managed to motivate me to that degree.
I do come from a mostly democrat family, but I am thee most politically engaged.
I did, however, do my best to delicately approach as many people in my orbit last year and prevailed upon them the dire consequences of the 2016 election. I stressed how critical is was that we elected (President) Trump in order to save, protect and defend our Union.

Thanks again for the warm welcome. I have depended upon Free Republic for vital information and insight since the time leading into the 2004 election. At that point, it was all about the Swift Boat Campaign to keep that traitor, John Kerry out of the White House. Sadly, Bush 43 proved to be a disaster and brought upon us Obummer. Just remember how nauseating it was to have to think about voting for McShame in 2008.


90 posted on 11/18/2017 12:18:14 PM PST by edie1960
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To: edie1960
"President Trump represents thee last hope to save our republic, traditional values and what’s remains of the free world."

Thanks, agreed.

91 posted on 11/18/2017 12:22:19 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: Olog-hai
That leaves the country open to invasion, if too many strategic points are given over to the left.

You're right. They need to be exported to North Korea to live out their communist dreams.

92 posted on 11/18/2017 3:45:38 PM PST by SisterK (its a spiritual war)
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To: Bulwyf
Alberta can go down same road. If Texas and Alberta joined up, we’d have most of the world’s energy energy.

You bet. When Texas regains its status to raise its head once again as a free and sovereign republic and regains its original boundaries, we will be a stone throw away from Alberta. It would only make sense to ask Montana and the Dakotas to join in one of the worlds greatest republics in the World. This would drive a stake through this immoral Country's (and I use that term loosely) heart dividing one side that is nothing but a twin of Mexico and one is nothing more than pool of rich perverted children in the NE, mostly.

93 posted on 11/19/2017 7:36:25 AM PST by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it, but ready to go again)
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To: Bulwyf
Everyone thinks democracy is freedom. It’s not. Democracy is simply 3 wolves and 1 sheep voting on what to have for dinner. A republic is a well armed sheep contesting the vote. Democracy is simply mob rule. Republic is law and order and everyone has the same rights. I’m amazed at how many people don’t know the difference.

Including this site

94 posted on 11/19/2017 7:37:13 AM PST by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it, but ready to go again)
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To: eartick

You think Texas will make a push for secession?

If Texas decides to go, that’s a fight I’d happily get behind. That means western Canada wins too.


95 posted on 11/19/2017 9:10:36 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

Bump


96 posted on 11/19/2017 12:33:13 PM PST by foreverfree
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To: Bulwyf
At the last Republican convention we were close to getting two key Texas Constitution lines into the platform. Both had to do with State rights and one was the point of secession. The minor point of the constitutional point to exercise our States rights under the US using the 9th and 10th were affirmed to the similar Texas Constitutional rights. But the big one to actual vote to secede if the rights were violated failed by trickery by the Chairman of the GOP when he counted the votes, it was a show of hands then a voiced yea or nay. People in the convention were peeooed. The Texas Nationalist Movement has made some great strives inside of the Texas Capital and now with the new session soon to begin we believe there will be some more head ways made. Our biggest quest is a vote on the RIGHT for Texas to become a republic again. Texans should be given this vote and let the people decide the same way that the English were given to decide. We deserve that right to self determination. That is why we call it T for #TEXIT
97 posted on 11/19/2017 5:21:14 PM PST by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it, but ready to go again)
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To: Vlad The Inhaler

Sounds islzmic aka totaltarian etc.


98 posted on 11/24/2017 3:56:15 AM PST by This I Wonder32460
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To: SisterK

Libs like islamics don’t want peace they want domination and they will use destruction to force surrender to their will not God’s will which is free for taking or rejecting. Libs,Islamics, communists, et al totalitarians believe in enforcing their will upon those who won’t accept or surrender to the left’s will and domination over one and all. It’s no longer the hippy generation’s “Do what you want to do.” It’s “Do what we tell you to do.” and “Believe what we tell you to believe. Or else....”


99 posted on 11/24/2017 4:43:10 AM PST by This I Wonder32460
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