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Duterte to ask Trump to return historic spoils of war taken in 1901
CBS News ^ | 11/11/2017 | JILLIAN HUGHES, JACQUELINE ALEMANY

Posted on 11/12/2017 4:45:49 AM PST by DFG

When Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte sits down for his first face-to-face bilateral meeting with President Trump on Monday in Manila, he will come to the table with an unusual request.

Duterte wants the United States to return war trophies seized more than 100 years ago: three historic church bells that were taken from the Philippine village of Balangiga after a bloody clash during the Philippine-American War.

In 1899, fighting broke out between U.S. troops and Filipino nationalists after Spain ceded control of the Philippines to the U.S. following Spain's defeat in the Spanish-American War. The nationalists seized control of the main island in the Philippines and declared a republic, vowing not to succumb to American imperial rule. More than 200,000 Filipino civilians and 4,800 American troops died in the ensuing conflict, which formally ended in 1902 as the U.S. suppressed the uprising.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: balangiga; duterte; philippines; trump; trumpasia; trumpvisit
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To: Mollypitcher1

so the most was the bells from a hundred years ago? That makes no sense. Who gives a rats ass about the bells. Give em back.


61 posted on 11/12/2017 9:43:02 AM PST by morphing libertarian (A proud member of the Ruthie Bader Afternoon Nap Club)
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To: BeauBo

Paging Monty Hall?

Please go to the white courtesy phone.


62 posted on 11/12/2017 9:43:50 AM PST by moviefan8
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon

It was a land grab. We wanted cuba since the 1950s but other things kept getting in the way. The Flips gave us a navy base near China.


63 posted on 11/12/2017 9:44:14 AM PST by morphing libertarian (A proud member of the Ruthie Bader Afternoon Nap Club)
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To: morphing libertarian

since the 1850s


64 posted on 11/12/2017 9:48:21 AM PST by morphing libertarian (A proud member of the Ruthie Bader Afternoon Nap Club)
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To: oldvirginian
Give them their bells back. They earned it.

I'd have to agree. The bells mean little enough to us. I think returning them would probably generate a disproportionate amount of goodwill. We are Americans. We can afford to be magnanimous occasionally.

65 posted on 11/12/2017 10:02:33 AM PST by zeugma (I always wear my lucky red shirt on away missions!)
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To: Chewbarkah
Where are they?

Two are on a military base in Wyoming that's closed to the public and the other is on display on a base in South Korea.

Trump should be able to work out a deal around this provided Congress gives him the authority.

66 posted on 11/12/2017 10:12:33 AM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: Oatka

Filipinos also risked life and limb smuggling drugs and bandages to POW’s.

I read one book about the Filipino guerrillas when I was younger that left an impression. I think it was An American Guerrilla In The Phillipines.
The author spent most of the book talking about his actions fighting alongside the Filipinos.
They never had enough rifles, ammunition or medicine but never lacked courage.

Filipinos went out of their way and put themselves in grave danger to hide and assist Americans whenever they could.

Sadly, after the war the US paid Chinese, Burmese and other groups who formed guerrilla groups but left the Filipinos out.
Not until 1965 did the US provide partial payment to Filipino fighters disabled by their wartime service.


67 posted on 11/12/2017 10:24:27 AM PST by oldvirginian (The older i get the less i care what people think of me, therefore the more i enjoy life.)
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To: zeugma

“I’d have to agree. The bells mean little enough to us. I think returning them would probably generate a disproportionate amount of goodwill. We are Americans. We can afford to be magnanimous occasionally.”

Considering the bells are housed In high security areas where no one could see them I consider it a No Brainer.

The people of the Phillipines get their bells back, President Trump gets to look magnanimous and Duterte gets to look like a bigger player to his people.
Win, Win, Win.


68 posted on 11/12/2017 10:32:15 AM PST by oldvirginian (The older i get the less i care what people think of me, therefore the more i enjoy life.)
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To: vladimir998

“We seized church bells? Return them. We should NEVER have taken items that belong to churches.
Now, if it was a mosque minaret. . .”

I agree. Return them. No big deal.


69 posted on 11/12/2017 10:33:42 AM PST by Parley Baer
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To: morphing libertarian

Because it will simply be the tip of an iceberg. What is past is past. Digging up any and every little thing from the past is counterproductive. You want to giveback all the lands taken from native Americans?


70 posted on 11/12/2017 10:35:36 AM PST by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: Kickass Conservative

How about kicking the Muslims out of the philippine? No church bells for them.


71 posted on 11/12/2017 10:37:21 AM PST by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: Oatka

she said they were taught that Americans were heroes.
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Maybe that’s why they kicked the Navy out of the Philippines, then when endangered again recently, asked the Americans back.


72 posted on 11/12/2017 10:39:42 AM PST by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: DFG

Find the most conservative Roman Catholic bishop in the US, and let him escort them back to the Phillipines and turn them over to his Filipino counterpart. Take the politics out of it.


73 posted on 11/12/2017 10:41:47 AM PST by ameribbean expat (Veritas Vincit)
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To: oldvirginian

They were fighting for their own survival and needed Americans to set them free from the Japs. i had a dear long time friend who survived the Bataan death march. He escaped on his own.


74 posted on 11/12/2017 10:47:37 AM PST by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: Mollypitcher1

The bells have significance to the Philippines. You are engaging in hyperbole to use the analogy of lands we took by force from the indians.


75 posted on 11/12/2017 10:53:25 AM PST by morphing libertarian (A proud member of the Ruthie Bader Afternoon Nap Club)
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To: DFG
At F. E. Warren Air Force Base (with ICBMs) in Cheyenne, Wyoming, on display as part of a memorial, but not open to the public. The third bell is held at Camp Red Cloud, in South Korea.

They want the bells as a symbol of resisting American Colonialism. Not exactly the kind of sentiment we wish to encourage.

76 posted on 11/12/2017 11:27:47 AM PST by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: morphing libertarian
The bells have significance to the Philippines. You are engaging in hyperbole to use the analogy of lands we took by force from the indians.

Yes, the significance is resisting America. You think this is a message we should encourage?

77 posted on 11/12/2017 11:29:23 AM PST by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: Teacher317

Yeah let’s teach them Flips a lesson. Idiot.


78 posted on 11/12/2017 11:30:02 AM PST by morphing libertarian (A proud member of the Ruthie Bader Afternoon Nap Club)
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To: Theoria

Thank you for the link to the history lesson.


79 posted on 11/12/2017 11:56:28 AM PST by ASOC (Forced to give a man a fish, he eats one day. Deport him and you'll never have to feed him again.)
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To: Arm_Bears

“Wasn’t Duterte bad-mouthing Trump not that long ago?”

yep. said he’d never meet with trump ...


80 posted on 11/12/2017 12:02:04 PM PST by catnipman ( Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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