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The FBI can’t unlock the Texas church shooter’s phone
Yahoo News ^ | 11/7/2017 | David Lumb

Posted on 11/07/2017 2:05:20 PM PST by detective

At a press conference today, an FBI official investigating the man who killed 26 people in a Texas church on Sunday said the agency can't open the shooter's encrypted phone. The agent painted the issue as a growing concern among law enforcement at all levels who can't access data on devices without their owner's credentials. It's essentially the same argument the FBI made two years ago when it demanded Apple help break into the phone of the San Bernardino shooter, a conflict that escalated into the courtroom.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: antifa; apple; bamn; devinpatrickkelley; encryption; fbi; iphone
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To: zeugma
Won't help if it's an iPhone. Need a live finger for it to work.

I *think* the finger just needs a pulse, it doesn't have to be alive.

41 posted on 11/07/2017 2:24:36 PM PST by null and void (The internet gave everyone a mouth. It gave no one a brain.)
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To: kjam22

Yep. I wonder why they didn’t use his finger/thumb print
shortly after he died to unlock it.


42 posted on 11/07/2017 2:25:12 PM PST by LiveFreeOrDie2001 ( Thank GOD Hillary didn't get elected!)
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To: null and void

Why not ask the NSA? I thought they recorded everything.

Anyway, I would think the mother-in-law has the messages he sent her.


43 posted on 11/07/2017 2:25:53 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: null and void
I can IF there is no warrant OR they are asking for the manufacturer to develop a master key to every phone the manufacturer makes rather than the unlocking of this individual phone.

I see this as just the same as a bank deposit box. If the cops show up to a bank with a warrant then the bank must produce the key to open the box.

What is going on is that Apple and other teck giants have said that we do not make or keep duplicate keys so we will not comply with the warrant.

We need to pass legislation to ensure that teck companies maintain the keys so that legal warrants can be excised.

44 posted on 11/07/2017 2:26:15 PM PST by usurper ( version)
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To: zeugma

“Need a live finger for it to work.”

Shep or Cavuto just had a story about a woman — Indian, I think — who was on a flight with her husband. He fell asleep. She gently took his finger and unlocked his phone. It wasn’t pretty. Found out he was having an affair. Big disturbance on the plane and they had to make an emergency landing.


45 posted on 11/07/2017 2:26:34 PM PST by MayflowerMadam (A person's greatest strength is his greatest weakness.)
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To: detective

Waaaaaa.....


46 posted on 11/07/2017 2:28:20 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ...)
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To: detective

Why is the FBI involved? Why is this a federal concern?


47 posted on 11/07/2017 2:29:11 PM PST by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: mass55th
I thought the FBI used a company in Israel to get into the iPhone(s) of the San Diego terrorists. The Feds filed a lawsuit to force Apple to turn over the unlocking procedures, but then withdrew the case when they were able to get "Cellebrite, a privately held Israeli company that specializes in transferring and extracting data from phones..." The FBI wouldn't confirm they'd used that company.

That was on an earlier model phone. The method will not work on iPhone 6 and later.

48 posted on 11/07/2017 2:29:26 PM PST by IndispensableDestiny
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To: detective
Not particularly relevant.

They can get his ingoing and outgoing calls and text messages from his phone service provider

Same with his Internet browsing information

The FBI can tell if he was associated with any groups like Antifa and who his contacts are

What more do they need?

It's not like this guy was a North Korean spy or international man of mystery

49 posted on 11/07/2017 2:29:33 PM PST by rdcbn
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To: DesertRhino

Give it to my 10year old, open in 3 minutes!!


50 posted on 11/07/2017 2:29:47 PM PST by mplc51
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To: kjam22

Exactly! I have no clue why you would use your fingerprint as stupid for commercial use. The only time you use or provide fingerprints is for passports and law purposes and NEVER for commercial purposes. Now Apple have a copy of your fingerprint in storage.


51 posted on 11/07/2017 2:30:17 PM PST by beergarden
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To: rdcbn
What more do they need?

They are looking for evidence that he was secretly a Republican Trump-supporter.
52 posted on 11/07/2017 2:31:46 PM PST by caligatrux (Rage, rage against the dying of the light.)
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To: usurper
We need to pass legislation to ensure that teck companies maintain the keys so that legal warrants can be excised.

Other countries would want the same access, as a condition of Apple being allowed to sell iPhones in their countries.

53 posted on 11/07/2017 2:31:51 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (Big governent is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: detective

So far, at least, Apple and other phone manufacturers have not given in to government demands for backdoors in their security, and that’s a good thing. The FBI’s need to know what’s on this lunatic’s phone does not outweigh my right to keep the contents of my phone private.


54 posted on 11/07/2017 2:32:16 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: MayflowerMadam

If the manufacturer can break the encryption (they can’t) then it isn’t secure.
If the manufacturer is required to build an NSA/FBI backdoor, it isn’t secure either.

he fractured a kids skull, beat his wife, held a gun to her head, got a bad conduct discharge from the USAF, beat a dog half to death in Pueblo Colorado and had the dog taken away, and STILL passed the FBI NICs Check.

And they whine they can’t see in his iphone. I say it would make no difference if all the rest didn’t. Maybe if they took action on all the rest of it, they wouldnt need into his phone today.


55 posted on 11/07/2017 2:33:25 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ...)
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To: ilovesarah2012
Because admitting the NSA has everything is exactly the same as admitting the NSA has violated the civil rights of everyone in America.

They are NOT going to admit this in court EVER.

Last time they tried to muscle Apple into not only providing a fig leaf for that one case, but for every case in the future.

They only backed off when it was claimed an Israeli company could crack the code, that gave them enough of a fig leaf to justify the information they had already illegally collected, along with all the data from every phone call and text and post YOU and I made.

As noted above, there is no proof they even used the Israeli company...

56 posted on 11/07/2017 2:33:41 PM PST by null and void (The internet gave everyone a mouth. It gave no one a brain.)
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To: IndispensableDestiny
"That was on an earlier model phone. The method will not work on iPhone 6 and later."

Oh well, back to court for the FBI unless they can find someone who can get into it.

57 posted on 11/07/2017 2:33:44 PM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: usurper
We need to pass legislation to ensure that teck companies maintain the keys so that legal warrants can be excised.

Um, no. Strong encryption is strong encryption. If it's unbreakable, then that's the government's problem, not the individual's. You can't ban math—or require that a person store their private key with a third party—just because the math is hard.

If a tech company is storing my private key, then I might as well not be using encryption in the first place. If a person decides to go to great lengths to make their papers "secure", then they can't be forced to surrender their password. Seems like a Fourth and Fifth Amendment issue to me.

The situation is qualitatively different than having a physical key to a safe deposit box, for example. What if the duplicate key is lost? The government has to break into the box, right? Same is true for encryption. Only it's harder to "break in".

There's no legitimate way you can force individuals to give the government their private encryption keys...

58 posted on 11/07/2017 2:33:48 PM PST by sargon ("If we were in the midst of a zombie apocalypse, the Left would protest for zombies' rights.")
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To: detective; Swordmaker

ping


59 posted on 11/07/2017 2:34:12 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ...)
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To: detective

Why is it even necessary in this case? Guy had beef w/wife. History of domestic violence. Wife and her family at the church.

They act like crimes couldn’t be solved before the iphone came out.


60 posted on 11/07/2017 2:35:57 PM PST by fruser1
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