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I can IF there is no warrant OR they are asking for the manufacturer to develop a master key to every phone the manufacturer makes rather than the unlocking of this individual phone.

I see this as just the same as a bank deposit box. If the cops show up to a bank with a warrant then the bank must produce the key to open the box.

What is going on is that Apple and other teck giants have said that we do not make or keep duplicate keys so we will not comply with the warrant.

We need to pass legislation to ensure that teck companies maintain the keys so that legal warrants can be excised.

44 posted on 11/07/2017 2:26:15 PM PST by usurper ( version)
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To: usurper
We need to pass legislation to ensure that teck companies maintain the keys so that legal warrants can be excised.

Other countries would want the same access, as a condition of Apple being allowed to sell iPhones in their countries.

53 posted on 11/07/2017 2:31:51 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (Big governent is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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We need to pass legislation to ensure that teck companies maintain the keys so that legal warrants can be excised.

Um, no. Strong encryption is strong encryption. If it's unbreakable, then that's the government's problem, not the individual's. You can't ban math—or require that a person store their private key with a third party—just because the math is hard.

If a tech company is storing my private key, then I might as well not be using encryption in the first place. If a person decides to go to great lengths to make their papers "secure", then they can't be forced to surrender their password. Seems like a Fourth and Fifth Amendment issue to me.

The situation is qualitatively different than having a physical key to a safe deposit box, for example. What if the duplicate key is lost? The government has to break into the box, right? Same is true for encryption. Only it's harder to "break in".

There's no legitimate way you can force individuals to give the government their private encryption keys...

58 posted on 11/07/2017 2:33:48 PM PST by sargon ("If we were in the midst of a zombie apocalypse, the Left would protest for zombies' rights.")
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No way... the safe deposit box is still in a safe... Once the master key is out, bad guys will have the key within minutes.


70 posted on 11/07/2017 2:43:57 PM PST by MS from the OC (Democrat party platform is based on three things - Big, Hate, and Oh shut up...)
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To: usurper
We need to pass legislation to ensure that teck companies maintain the keys so that legal warrants can be excised.

Why don't we just pass a law to make it illegal to be a crook or murderer.

111 posted on 11/07/2017 4:52:08 PM PST by itsahoot (As long as there is money to be divided, there will be division.)
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We need to pass legislation to ensure that teck companies maintain the keys so that legal warrants can be excised.

Modern encryption does not work that way. It is binary. It is either secure or it is not secure. Once you know there is a backdoor, the bad guys WILL find it. . . and the courts will reveal the backdoors to the defense attorneys. . . who cannot keep their mouths shut. EVERY SINGLE TIME a secure backdoor has been revealed, even under court seal, it has been compromised. That is just the reality. The only way to make certain that a passcode does not get revealed is to make it known only to one person. . . the user.

Put in another way to unlock a device and they are not secure.

146 posted on 11/07/2017 6:06:59 PM PST by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you racist, bigot!)
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