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"The dishonorable discharge is based on a general court-martial conviction. This means the conviction is a felony, regardless of what the underlying offense may have been. The convicted felon is banned from possessing a firearm including Title II Firearms (a Silencer, SBR, SBS, AOW, or Machine Gun).Sep 26, 2010

Dishonorable Discharge and NFA Firearms — NFA Gun Trust Lawyer ...

https://www.guntrustlawyer.com/2010/09/dishonorable-discharge-and-nfa.html

Did this perpetrator possess guns illegally?

1 posted on 11/05/2017 4:05:49 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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Anyone want to do some investigating? Name: DEVIN PATRICK KELLEY Address: 2825 FM 2722 NEW BRAUNFELS TX 78132 Gender: MALE Valid From: 01/01/2016 Effective Date of Registration: 11/14/2009 Voter Status: ACTIVE County: COMAL Precinct: 103 VUID: 1167460575 https://nuwber.com/person/563aa2bf98f8a849c1a7d955
54 posted on 11/05/2017 5:09:15 PM PST by Towsoncrs
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“I do not fear death,” it read. “I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.”

Sounds more like an atheist than a Christian.


57 posted on 11/05/2017 5:11:40 PM PST by djpg (O)
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You have to be a real screw up to receive a DD from the Air Force. It’s damn near as close to a civilian job as one can get


58 posted on 11/05/2017 5:11:56 PM PST by Jarhead9297
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Actually, the law is more straightforward than that. Under 18 USC 922(g)(6), it is a federal felony for any person discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions to possess any firearm or ammunition, and a felony under 922(d)(6) to sell or otherwise dispose a firearm to a person while knowing or having reasonable cause to believe the person was dishonorably discharged.. No need to examine whether the dishonorable discharge was the result of a general court martial or the result of a felony conviction.

The question will be who gave him this gun or sold it to him. Hard to believe it was an FFL: I have to assume an FBI check would turn up a dishonorable discharge, and it’s hard to imagine an FFL would risk getting caught selling a gun under the table.

That leaves only a few possibilities: Maybe he bought it from a non FFL at a gun show or that he found on Craig’s List (which would add fuel to the push for “universal background checks”). Maybe he bought it from a non FFL who knew him, who will now have to answer questions as to how he didn’t have reason to know this guy was dishonorably discharged. Or maybe his Antifa buddies gave it to him, which will have obvious ramifications. Or maybe the reports are inaccurate and he was not dishonorably discharged (that report does come from CBS, after all).


70 posted on 11/05/2017 5:28:55 PM PST by The Pack Knight
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Did you ever wonder why they delete the facebook pages of these perps? Only the FBI knows and they won’t ever tell!


76 posted on 11/05/2017 5:36:08 PM PST by Davy Crocket
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Saw the truck on the news in the background, the FBI Evidence Destruction and Cover UP Team is right on it. Guarantee you his computer, his personal belongings, and social media posts have been locked down due to “National Security”.


85 posted on 11/05/2017 5:47:31 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (Start using cash and checks or the elite class and bankers will make "cashless" the norm.)
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Advice: Don’t leave home without it ... your CC even to church ... if the church doesn’t allow them, change churches as your life may depend upon it!


86 posted on 11/05/2017 5:49:13 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (Start using cash and checks or the elite class and bankers will make "cashless" the norm.)
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Here is the case number. Can anyone find any additional info on this? —

14-0387/AF. U.S. v. Devin P. KELLEY. CCA 38267.

http://www.armfor.uscourts.gov/newcaaf/journal/2014Jrnl/2014Mar.htm


93 posted on 11/05/2017 5:59:59 PM PST by Nicojones
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Kelley possibly lived currently in Seguin, Texas

When Gov. Abbot was thanking the frist responders and Law Enforcement,he mentioned the Seguin PD. Seguin is a Northeast outer suburb of San Antonio, 35 miles from Sutherland Springs,
they may have responded to the event itself, but 35 miles is just as far away as San Antonio and other cities, not sure why they would be singled out.


96 posted on 11/05/2017 6:03:24 PM PST by cookcounty (Susan Rice: G Gordon Liddy times 10.)
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In picture of murdered Pastor’s daughter, she possibly looks like a special needs Down’s Syndrome child.

That would make it even worse.


101 posted on 11/05/2017 6:16:46 PM PST by Strac6 ("Mrs. Strac, Pilatus, and Sig Sauer: All the fun things in my life are Swiss!")
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Article says he started all kinds of drama with others of FB but don’t say what that was. That’s the kind of info that would give an insight into the head of this nut case. What was he all spun up about?


106 posted on 11/05/2017 6:41:49 PM PST by Boomer (It'sOK2BWhite)
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In recent history, senseless, unprovoked attacks like this one and these other recent ones are almost always acts of Islamic jihadism.

Despite what “Heavy” says, until proven otherwise, the presumption should be this was also done by an Islamic jihadist (convert).

The link and list below are of 93 deadly Islamic terror attacks made on American soil since 1972 that supports such a presumption.

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/american-attacks.aspx


115 posted on 11/05/2017 7:23:53 PM PST by Jim W N
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He was also an antifa mass murderer amd a terrorist.


134 posted on 11/06/2017 3:29:56 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed)
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Banned from holding a weapon? Hmmmm....I thought the law was recently changed.

Regardless...apparently it was never entered in the database.

137 posted on 11/06/2017 4:25:03 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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On the radio today, they were saying that guns are also banned in Churches and Bars in Texas...

Guess that ban didn’t work out so good either.


145 posted on 11/06/2017 5:50:25 AM PST by Pikachu_Dad ("the media are selling you a line of soap")
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UPDATE

La Times, Wash Post, and CBS now say Kelley had a bad conduct discharge, not a dishonorable discharge.

Man identified as Texas shooter was court-martialed for assault on his spouse and child

The man authorities have identified as the shooter in the massacre at a Texas church was given a bad conduct discharge from the Air Force three years ago after being court-martialed for assault, a military spokesperson confirmed Sunday.

Federal law prohibits a person who has been dishonorably discharged from buying a firearm. Whether Kelley's discharge would trigger the law was not immediately clear......."

146 posted on 11/06/2017 5:51:06 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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Not that facts and accuracy matter very much but it was a Bad Conduct Discharge, not a Dishonorable Discharge.


149 posted on 11/06/2017 6:15:32 AM PST by ops33 (SMSgt, USAF, Retired)
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>>“I am a hard working dedicated person. I live by the core values on which the Air Force go by.”

How's that workin' at the USAFA football/rapist factory these days?

To do what is right for some else, even though you know it may not go well for you, that is the character trait we are missing in the Air Force today. I believe integrity has gone to the waste side at USAFA
—Staff Sergeant Brandon Enos, (USAFOSI “Operation Gridiron”)
http://cryptome.org/2014/08/brandon-enos.pdf

That'd be the same STEM-worshiping institution, BTW, where a 3 Star L.I.F.E.R. recently stood in front of the 1 star personification of Romans 1:26 and ordered 5000 cadets to accept "diversity" or "get out".

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Hate+crime+USAFA

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Lesbian+Fake+Hate+Crimes

A culture that worships itself, destroys itself.  That's as predictable as gravity.

154 posted on 11/06/2017 6:59:23 AM PST by HLPhat ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS" -- Government with any other purpose is not American.)
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The two levels of courts-martial that can sentence to a discharge are: Special Courts-Martial empowered to administer a Bad Conduct Discharge (BCD); and of course, the General Courts-Martial (GCM) which can administer EITHER the BCD or a Dishonorable Discharge (DD). Depending on either the judge sitting alone as "the jury", which is something the accused gets to decide, whether he/she wishes the judge or jury to determine punishment, or a jury will decide his fate.

I worked as a Senior NCO in the Army's Judge Advocate General's Corps for several base Staff Judge Advocate's offices. Mainly I worked with the military Trial Counsels (the Army's prosecutors) but my last assignment before retirement was with Defense Counsels.

I have seen many GCM's administer BCD's instead of the DD. Usually because the judge or the jury did not feel after all charges are adjudicated that a DD was needed. They use the BCD as a fall back discharge there. I have also seen the Special Courts with BCD power convict but not administer a discharge at all as part of the punishment.

BCD Special courts can administer confinement up to six months, forfeiture of pay up to six months, reduction to the lowest enlisted grade and the BCD. A GCM can administer whatever maximum punishment the Manuel for Courts-Martial (MCM) provides for the various offenses. Such as the death penalty were charged and convicted and a DD, confinement up to the max that MCM provides. I have seen a murder case in Germany give a DD, total forfeiture of all pay and allowances, reduction to the lowest enlisted grade and the death penalty. It was the Matthews case where this punk murdered the wife of a Warrant Officer in the base library I believe it was, at the major training base in Germany, called Graf. I cannot spell the entire name of Graf. Grafenvier is how you say it, but that is not how you spell it. As I remember, Matthews did not get executed. There were appeals courts all over the place back then as to if the death penalty could be administgered and I think, THINK, that Matthews and all the guys on death row out at the United States Disciplinary Barracks (USDB) at Leavenworth (not to be confused with the federal pen at Leavenworth, they are different prisons) got changed to life without parole instead of executions because of all that mess. It was back in the 1980s, so I have forgotten. Sorry for the ramble.

156 posted on 11/06/2017 7:13:58 AM PST by RetiredArmy (We are in the Last Days of human history. Jesus is coming back, & soon! Do U know Him?)
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According to the article he received a Bad Conduct Discharge not a Dishonorable Discharge so what you cited does not apply although other laws and statutes may.


157 posted on 11/06/2017 7:16:55 AM PST by Nuocmam (Loose lips sink ships.)
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