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The tragic plight of Germans in AMERICA during the First World War I
Daily Mail (UK) ^ | 10/18/2017 | Harvey Day

Posted on 10/18/2017 9:20:01 AM PDT by Jewbacca

A fascinating collection of photos have resurfaced showing the hardships faced by German-Americans at the brutal height of the First World War. As Europe was ravaged by fighting, German immigrants in the US suffered harassment, internment, lynchings - and even the humiliation of being tarred and feathered.

Although a little-remembered part of history today, America was wracked by the fear and paranoia that swept from coast to coast during the Great War.

The United States declared war on Germany in April 1917 and helped lead the Allies to victory. But before that, many Americans were terrified of the German threat growing on the other side of the world.

This collection of pictures reveals the full extent of war hysteria and open hostility towards all things German that erupted across the nation.

Before the war broke out, America had welcomed German immigrants and regarded them highly. German was the second most widely spoken language in the country and there were over 100 million first and second-generation German-Americans living in the United States, with many of them involved in the thousands of German organizations across the country.

The United States embraced them and the German language became an established part of the high school curriculum.

But when the war broke out and Germany became the enemy of the Allies abroad, the American government began calling on its people to reject their German-American neighbors.

President Woodrow Wilson declared that German-Americans were to be treated as 'alien-enemies' and that they should reject their German identity if they were to be accepted in US society.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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To: Lee Enfield

We’ll never know. They had the upper hand for most of the war, occupying territory in allied countries while those allies grabbed their colonies. The status quo favored them.

When the US entered the war, France asked for only men; they had no shortage of weapons, but had lost much of a whole generation of men. Many of those remaining were refusing to fight, and were only whipped into shape by Petain’s executions. Germany would encounter those problems a year later, but in 1917 they were OK.

The manner in which that war ended made Hitler’s conspiracy theories credible to most Germans; they surrendered while still occupying most of Belgium and part of France, after beating Russia and Serbia. It was impossible to convince them they’d lost “fair and square”, and when Hitler blamed the labor unrest/”general strike” in 1918 on communists (led by Jews) it seemed more palatable to the average German than accepting they’d simply lost on their own merits (and failures).


221 posted on 10/18/2017 7:29:39 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Jewbacca

There were TWO World War I’s? When did the second World War I begin?


222 posted on 10/18/2017 7:32:39 PM PDT by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: kearnyirish2
It was the English blockade that killed them. With the nationalist sentiment growing in Germany's allies and the steady progression of the English forces in the middle east, by 1917 it was “who would collapse first”.
223 posted on 10/18/2017 7:34:00 PM PDT by Lee Enfield (Democracy is mob rule. A constitutional republic is only way to protect freedom.)
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To: Lee Enfield

The English blockade was broken when the Eastern Front collapsed; the food stopped by the blockade was now available in Russia (especially the Ukraine). Again, I honestly believe that the surrender of Russia forced the US government’s hand because we realized there was simply no way for the Triple Entente to win anymore. Even if they weren’t crushed, they were done; the defensive positions favored the Central Powers (on occupied land), and Austria-Hungary was saved completely (not just keeping its minorities in line, but actually occupying Serbia since 1915). Turkish losses on the Arabian peninsula were minor in military terms, and again those could be changed with the troops freed up in southern Russia (Turkey’s primary battleground, involving their actual homeland rather than that of the Arabs to the south).


224 posted on 10/18/2017 7:44:25 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Jewbacca

Nice to have this POV. Germans are usually fair game no matter what the topic.

My mother’s family “suffered” in Baltimore for their German background. Ours were (still sort of are, until last year) a prominent pork-processing/packing company in town and everyone knew them. But Germans were persona-non-grata for WWI and the business suffered.

Later, as mom said, there was no problem during WWII. When Germans were much more of a threat as fascists. I think people just heaved a big yawn when it came up so shortly later, along with perhaps a bit of regret knowing that WWI really didn’t mean anything, and was an asinine war over nothing.

But my more-German (came here as a baby) father’s father actually went to Europe to fight.


225 posted on 10/18/2017 7:45:09 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: billorites

Well, we still have Berlin, MD.

Where the legendary Stephen Decatur (also has a million towns named for him) was raised, and where the legendary Man o’War was broken into tack for racing (in the aftermath of the war).


226 posted on 10/18/2017 7:51:09 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: kearnyirish2
The food never really stared flowing west to the central powers. The infrastructure and the breakdown of social order prevented it. There was still the total allied command of he seas and the universal exhaustion. Even in 1917 the French could get cakes and wine behind the lines, where as the Germans were reduced to eating what they considered pig food (turnips).
227 posted on 10/18/2017 7:56:20 PM PDT by Lee Enfield (Democracy is mob rule. A constitutional republic is only way to protect freedom.)
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To: Bonemaker

Interesting; possible but German Shepherds were only just trickling into this country after being here only about a decade (new breed). It was WWI that would bring them here in droves with soldiers’ stories and a couple guys who found they could make money showing off their dogs’ talents in the new-fangled motion-picture industry.

What IS interesting is the German Shepherd Dog Club of America (1913) changed its name to Shepherd Dog Club of America due to the hatred.

Fast forward c. 2010, the GSDCA was puzzled that they were having legal documentation trouble.

Turns out with NYC they never went back and changed the name back to GERMAN Shepherd Dog C of A. They were according to NYC still just “Shepherd Dog Club”!

True story. I was still a member when this came up in the magazine.


228 posted on 10/18/2017 7:57:09 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: Lee Enfield

The infrastructure was fine (as the Spring Offensive of 1918 demonstrated); the breakdown of the social order was much more of a concern. As far as cakes and wine, the resources of Russia were now available to the Central Powers; the German starvation stories of WWI, while real enough, actually worsened AFTER the armistice (because Britain didn’t immediately lift the blockade). At the same time, there is plenty of data to suggest that the U-boat strategy against Britain was reaping dividends for Germany; they had rationing as well.


229 posted on 10/18/2017 7:59:52 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Lee Enfield

To be continued; I’m off to bed. Thanks for an interesting discussion; FRegards!


230 posted on 10/18/2017 8:01:06 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

Glad to converse with someone else who reads history.


231 posted on 10/18/2017 8:10:14 PM PDT by Lee Enfield (Democracy is mob rule. A constitutional republic is only way to protect freedom.)
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To: jpsb

I noticed that also. How foolish!


232 posted on 10/19/2017 12:24:27 AM PDT by iowamark
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Jewbacca, great family story.
President Woodrow Wilson declared that German-Americans were to be treated as 'alien-enemies' and that they should reject their German identity if they were to be accepted in US society.
Not surprising that he did that, what a jackbooted fascist **** he was.

Marne, Michigan is a tiny little place, and home to the annual Berlin Fair. The fair preserves the original name of the village, which was changed during WWI to that of a river in France reputed to have stopped the German advance. Around these parts most people of German immigrant origin more or less changed their nationality to Dutch, which has stuck with West Michigan to this day. I recall reading that, in the 1980 census in Michigan, of people listing an ethnic background, the largest single one, believe it or not, was German, and I don't doubt that it is true, and even more true that people even knew at the time.

The US is probably more German than it is English, which is weird, until you do some genealogy and see the sizes of those Pennsylvania Dutch (Deutsch) families generation after generation, and notice also how many Irish, Scottish, Dutch, and even a trace of French people populated the "English" colonies prior to 1776. :^) And a remarkable number of Precolumbian tribal people assimilated and intermarried -- that's something that's been emerging, that kind of ancestry was often deliberately obscured and kept from outsiders (and insiders, a lot of the time).

One of my favorite scenes in "The Crossing" is when one of the English-speaking Penn Dutch soldiers speaks to General Washington about wanting to discuss the presence of the Hessians in advance, so they won't be nervous, as they regarded the Hessians as "the devil".

Even the Hessians did not all go back after their mercenary service was over here -- of the 30,000 or so Hessians, fully ten percent deserted and became US citizens, and others deserted after capture, because they knew a good deal when they saw one, and frankly they had no real future back home. Hessian troops took part in pretty much every major battle during the American Revolution, and the fact that so many German-origin people already lived in North America (and for the most part continued to speak German at home, right up until about 1900, no joke, one of my g-g-gma had a German language Bible, which is about ten feet from here right now) made it an appealing prospect. I don't think the Germans of Germany had any idea what a crap idea it was to fight two wars against us. :^)

Who Do You Think You Are? Rob Lowe looked so optimistic just before the ad break, right after they told him his ancestor had served under Colonel Rall, poor Rob had no idea what else they were about to tell him, and obviously had never heard of Rall and who he was. Dynamite episode, btw:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DzftWglLV0
233 posted on 10/19/2017 12:56:50 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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The US and Canada were also the place where German POWs often wound up, largely because they would be undermotivated to try to escape. Also, in places like rural Michigan, and Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Indiana, there were plenty of German-speaking US citizens who needed fill-behind farm help, and a good many German soldiers had rural roots and the kinds of skills needed. Same went on in WWII -- a friend's father spent over a year as a POW (not sure, may have been more, he may have been bagged in Africa). After the war ended and he could travel again, he went back to Germany to wrap up some personal business, probably selling assets and whatnot, then returned to the US and became a citizen, passing away in the mid-1960s.

234 posted on 10/19/2017 1:03:56 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: kearnyirish2

The British, French, Italians, Romanians, and whomever else got sucked into the conflict would never have been able to cope with the German (and Austrian) strength freed up when the Russian war effort collapsed. Just as in WWII, in WWI most of the German manpower was in the east, and on all fronts the Germans had their adversaries outgunned. The only thing that prevented a Central Powers victory was the American Expeditionary Force.


235 posted on 10/19/2017 1:08:47 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: Lee Enfield

Same here; thanks.


236 posted on 10/19/2017 3:31:21 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: SunkenCiv

That’s how I read it, but we’ll never know.


237 posted on 10/19/2017 3:35:39 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Wisconsin’s Bob La Follette Jr (son of Fighting Bob) was a popular figure in Minnesota too. It was a a big Minnesota stir when Joe McCarthy beat La Follette in the Republican primary for US Senate from Wisconsin.


238 posted on 10/19/2017 4:16:07 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: SunkenCiv

I have an acquaintance who worked on the new Wonder Woman movie.

I have not seen the movie, but I understand some pagan “diety” (Ares, I believe) was the behind-the-scenes bad guy. He was English and persuaded the English to push things a certain way. (Not like the Germans got a pass, though. They were just as bad.)

Wonder Woman dispatched him, only for him to apparently reappear elsewhere.

There was a scene cut that was supposed to be an “after credits” scene. Ares appears in the form of a German, talking to a painter — who was a youngish Hitler. Ares whispers in his ear “you know, the reason you can’t sell paintings is the Jews. They control the critics and the art markets.”

They decided this was too controversial, especially since the lead actress was Israeli.

I personally think that would have been a fantastic scene.


239 posted on 10/19/2017 6:42:58 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: crazy scenario; Olog-hai
>>You Brits don't get to run the world.

Evidently the poodle who wrote this article and the "Royal" red inbreds associated with his/her/its "news"paper need to be reminded of that.

https://twitter.com/harveyday94?lang=en

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/h94day

"The group can trace its origins back to launch of the mid market national newspaper the Daily Mail by Harold Harmsworth, 1st Viscount Rothermere, and his elder brother, Alfred Harmsworth, 1st Viscount Northcliffe, in 1896.[4] It was incorporated in 1922 and its shares were first listed on the London Stock Exchange in 1932. Harmsworth, who had been elevated to the peerage as Lord Rothermere, was editorially sympathetic to Oswald Mosley[4] and the British Union of Fascists and he wrote an article, "Hurrah for the Blackshirts", in January 1934.[5] Referring to Adolf Hitler's proposed invasion of Czechoslovakia, Rothermere, again writing in the Daily Mail, said in 1938 that "Czechs were of no concern to Englishmen".[6]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Mail_and_General_Trust


That UK Mail? 

Harvey, Lord Rothermere, and Co. might want to check their own pink glaz hoyz before they start throwing "tragic" stones across the pond.

 

240 posted on 10/19/2017 7:39:31 AM PDT by HLPhat ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS" -- Government with any other purpose is not American.)
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