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The climate-change fire alarm from Northern California
Los Angeles Times ^ | October 12, 2017 | by The Times Editorial Board

Posted on 10/12/2017 10:04:22 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

Big deadly fires are nothing new to California, particularly during fire season when the Santa Ana or Diablo winds blow hot and dry, making tinder out of trees and bushes that have been baking all summer long.

But the firestorm now raging through Northern California isn’t the typical wildfire.

We don’t yet know what started the fires in Northern California, but we have a good idea of what made them so destructive. Authorities blame a combination of factors.

Burning fossil fuels is not the only human activity that contributes to the destruction wrought by wildfires and hurricanes. So does the relentless march of humans to develop land in danger spots.

“These kinds of catastrophes have happened and they’ll continue to happen.” Gov. Jerry Brown observed at a news briefing Wednesday. “That’s the way it is with a warming climate, dry weather and reducing moisture.”

California is fortunate to have a governor who understands the perils of ignoring climate change and is aggressively pushing policies to mitigate its future harm. Unfortunately, that puts him at odds with a head-in-the-sand president who blithely disregards the obvious connection between the warming climate and the multiple federal disaster areas he’s been forced to declare in Texas, Florida, Puerto Rico and, now, California.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: climatechange; climatechangefraud; fakescience; globalism; globalwarming; hoax; humor; journalism; wildfires
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To: marktwain

Mr California Uber Alles could help things a lot by keeping his mouth shut.

Nothing but hot air and bullspit!


21 posted on 10/12/2017 10:28:32 AM PDT by Califreak (All Alinsky All The Time)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

These fires will likely contribute a couple of years’ equivalent of CO2 emissions from all manmade sources in CA.


22 posted on 10/12/2017 10:30:17 AM PDT by rfp1234 (I have already previewed this composition.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

It’s been reported the winds were up to 79 miles an hour


23 posted on 10/12/2017 10:31:18 AM PDT by Rj Snows
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To: Jeff Chandler

No measurable amount of rain since May which is normal in this wonderful area


24 posted on 10/12/2017 10:32:45 AM PDT by Rj Snows
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To: IC Ken

PG&E is contractually obligated to keep their right of way clear.

Rather than suing them and forcing a rate rise, it’s better to hold officers of the company liable for criminal negligence.

And put their asses in jail.


25 posted on 10/12/2017 10:42:56 AM PDT by Mariner (Pink Pussy Hats for the NFL)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Fire is doing good work in California. It is burning down the state.


26 posted on 10/12/2017 10:47:14 AM PDT by arthurus
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

So what Environment Catastrophe Event has happened over the last few years to have caused this? Could the Environmental Impact of the millions of third world Immigrants both legal and illegal Obama brought to America have caused the end of a living Earth as we know it. The Ecological Footprint of someone from Mexico goes up 300%, from El Salvador 450%, Syria 600%, Somalia 700%, Kenya 800% and Afghanistan 950% when they come here. All their food, heating, cooking, housing and transportation is now produced by using fossil fuel. It would have been far better to have helped them where they were. Now there is going to be never ending bad weather events like Hurricanes, Fires, and Floods and thanks to Obama we are now all going to die!


27 posted on 10/12/2017 10:48:34 AM PDT by jacob allen
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To: IC Ken
meteors/ites done did it.

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.1422425,-119.3947519,5z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!6m1!1s1TOEFA857tOVxtewW1DH6neG1Sm0

http://www.calfire.ca.gov/general/firemaps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptZ24VCGUEI

https://www.amsmeteors.org/tag/october-meteor-showers/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBNeuDvbwbQ

http://www.woreczko.pl/meteorites/features/glossary-StrewnField.htm

13 reports of meteors over northern California oct. 7-8 one report over Anaheim oct 8

28 posted on 10/12/2017 10:51:47 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 ((("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione."))))))
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To: Amendment10

And this; http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/10/11/wine-country-fires-gov-brown-vetoed-2016-bill-aimed-at-power-line-wildfire-safety/


29 posted on 10/12/2017 11:00:57 AM PDT by Valpal1 (I am grown weary.)
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To: IC Ken
[T]he relentless march of humans to develop land in danger spots contributes...to the destruction wrought by wildfires and hurricanes.

1. The Napa Valley had been developed for agriculture, with haciendas, field hands and exportable crops, since prior to California becoming a State.

2. Fires happen in California. They have little to do with drought or deluge conditions. Their severity has everything to do with tree lines near power-lines and unrequited masses of dry foliage.

3. Nancy Pelosi has an extensive vineyard in Napa Valley. Is she a warming denier?

“These kinds of catastrophes have happened and they’ll continue to happen.” Gov. Jerry Brown observed at a news briefing Wednesday. “That’s the way it is with a warming climate, dry weather and reducing moisture.”

As Jerry well knows, this past summer had been quite mild in temperature compared to many past summer scorchers. It also followed on the heels of a remarkably wet winter. Follow the script better, Jerry, you are prattling non- sense.

30 posted on 10/12/2017 11:10:45 AM PDT by Thommas (The snout of the camel is in the tent..)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I say put a few reconnaissance satellites over California and record who set the fires, the type of cigarette they were smoking, the car they were driving and where they drove the car afterwards. If they stopped off at a gas station, get the surveillance recording of their faces and the license number.


31 posted on 10/12/2017 11:47:40 AM PDT by jonrick46 (Trump continues to have all the right enemies.)
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To: jonrick46

Where did you hear that cigarette smoking started the fire?

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32 posted on 10/12/2017 11:52:29 AM PDT by Mears
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Climate change? Glad to know that. For a moment I thought was caused by record winter rainfall that produced a massive surplus of green undergrowth followed by a drought that turned everything tinder dry.


33 posted on 10/12/2017 12:15:10 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Two scoops, two genders, two terms. Get used to it.)
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To: Valpal1; All
"Wine Country fires: Gov. Brown vetoed 2016 bill aimed at power line, wildfire safety"

Incredible !

As a side note about Gov. Brown, please consider the following from a related thread.

Thanks to insight from FReeper sparklite2, I found this TIME article about Gov. Brown previously signing a vaccination bill to keep kids healthy.

"Earlier this year [2015], more than 100 cases of measles in California and Mexico were traced to a single unvaccinated visitor to Disneyland." —Why Jerry Brown Was Right to Sign the California Vaccine Bill, Time, June 30, 2015

And while Brown's left hand had signed a strict vaccination bill, his right hand recently signed a sanctuary state bill that will arguably help to expose everyone in California, and probably the rest of the nation, to a lot of nasty, potentially deadly diseases in my non-medical opinion.

  1. Syrian refugees are a health hazard to US by bringing flesh-eating leishmaniasis disease

  2. 22 Percent of Resettled Refugees in Minnesota Test Positive for Tuberculosis

  3. More than one-third of refugees in Vermont test positive for tuberculosis

  4. CDC Official Says 'Thousands' May Have Arrived in US With Zika

  5. Measles outbreak traced back to inmate at Arizona immigrant detention facility

  6. Migrants Continue to Enrich Germany with TB, Leprosy, Rubella, Typhus and Whooping Cough

But even if the vaccines work after possible exposure to such diseases, Californians still have to survive Brown.

34 posted on 10/12/2017 12:15:39 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: 5th MEB

“The only difference now is people are building in these areas, and they all want to keep it “NATURAL” right up to their front doors”

You have a lock on total ignorance about the situation. I own property in Napa County and you are completely wrong.


35 posted on 10/12/2017 12:27:00 PM PDT by vette6387 (LOCK HER UP! COMEY TOO.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Yeah that has to be it. It just couldn’t be that the state of California hasn’t let people go in and take out the dead wood and brush for over a decade. I wonder how those rats they were protecting are doing now that they are nothing more than cinders.


36 posted on 10/12/2017 1:25:09 PM PDT by jdsteel (Give me freedom not more government)
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To: jdsteel

Trees only live so long..become diseased..more of a fire hazard...

When I lived in Colorado most of the national forest were dead or dying from the bark beetle...they will not spay ...fools all..then they quit loging and no fire access ...


37 posted on 10/12/2017 1:48:35 PM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: vette6387

Well you go ahead and believe anything you want.
I spent several years in my younger days fighting wildland and wildland - urban interface fires here in California, and found that when we lost structures it was almost always because people refused to keep the areas around their homes clear of brush and trees.
I’ll grant that with 70 mile an hour winds, front spotting and line jumping is a problem (we had to deal with it often) but the most destructive structure loss occurred when the homes were built to close together (mostly asphalt and wood shingle roofs) and when proper clearances were not maintained.
Just as a matter of interest I own property (a small farm) in the middle of Trinity county, also Coarsegold in Madera county, Juniper Hills in LA County, and a home on Lone Pine Canyon Road in San Bernardino County.
All very high fire danger areas; I have owned in these areas since the early 1980’s and have had fire come right up to my own fire breaks.
Haven’t lost anything yet and don’t plan on starting now.
Minimum clearance from any part of the houses is 300 feet, a lawn is OK as long as it is irrigated and mowed, no tall trees (especially pines, spruce, juniper) they are nothing but torches that are waiting for a spark.
No native chaparral, it was evolved to burn.
Like I said; you do what you want to do, I’ll do what I was trained to do and keep my property safe.


38 posted on 10/12/2017 2:11:14 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: Rj Snows
No measurable amount of rain since May

What is this "rain" of which you write? http://www.bestplaces.net/climate/city/arizona/chandler

39 posted on 10/12/2017 2:28:37 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (https://imgoat.com/uploads/645920e395/39513.gif)
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To: Mears

The reference to cigarettes was to illustrate the capability of these reconnaissance satellites for detail. If someone threw out a lit cigarette to start the fire, there would be an image of the pack of cigarettes captured by satellite. If there were tatoos, they would be recorded too. We under use the capability of our technology.


40 posted on 10/12/2017 3:16:09 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Trump continues to have all the right enemies.)
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