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The Hammer Falls On The USS John S. McCain Command Team
Red State ^ | 11 Oct 2017

Posted on 10/11/2017 7:18:19 AM PDT by mandaladon

On August 21, the guided missile destroyer USS John S. McCain was rammed by a Liberian-flagged supertanker, the Alnic MC. Ten sailor were killed in the collision. (See my posts on the collision here.)

Yesterday, the US Navy announced that is had relieved the commander and the executive officer of the USS John S. McCain and called the collision preventable:

The commanding officer, Cmdr. Alfredo J. Sanchez, and executive officer, Cmdr. Jessie L. Sanchez, of the guided-missile destroyer USS John S. McCain (DDG 56) were relieved of their duties by Vice Adm. Phil Sawyer, Commander, Seventh Fleet, on Oct. 11. Both were relieved due to a loss of confidence.

John S. McCain was involved in a collision with the merchant vessel Alnic MC Aug. 21 that claimed the lives of 10 Sailors, injured five more, and damaged both ships.

While the investigation is ongoing, it is evident the collision was preventable, the commanding officer exercised poor judgement, and the executive officer exercised poor leadership of the ship’s training program.

Interesting side note here. The senior chief petty officer aboard the USS Fitzgerald was relieved along with the commander, executive officer, and seemingly everyone on the bridge. That was an indicator that some major breach of individual training or discipline was determined to be widespread. The chief of the USS John S. McCain seems to have evaded the axe for the time being. As the same general fact pattern of the USS Fitzgerald was present, i.e. human lookouts not seeing a huge ship bearing down on them, the collision alarm not sounded until after the collision, etc., there is an interesting, if untold, story lurking here.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: navy; trump; usnavy; ussjohnmccain
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To: Enterprise

Only the CO and XO. The senior chief mentioned is from the previous navy collision.


21 posted on 10/11/2017 7:49:52 AM PDT by Rinnwald
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To: mandaladon

Obama’s Affirmative Action Navy

This was our newest super-duper ship with all the navigation bells and whistles that couldn’t detect an oil tanker. Pathetic.


22 posted on 10/11/2017 7:53:44 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: mandaladon

Sanchez & Sanchez got deported from their positions - for incompetence ... Hmm ... Well, I guess they’re both now “undocumented” naval officers.


23 posted on 10/11/2017 7:54:00 AM PDT by JME_FAN
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To: CodeToad

He is a rough and ready Navy war fighter!

errr, used to be.


24 posted on 10/11/2017 8:03:56 AM PDT by Delta 21 (Build The Wall !! Jail The Cankle !!)
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To: Gay State Conservative
It is my understanding that if you are in command of a U.S. Naval vessel and it gets hit by, or hits something that was not planned, it's your azz.

Just the way it is.

25 posted on 10/11/2017 8:04:24 AM PDT by skimbell
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To: Mr. K
Why on earth would they name a boat after a living a$$hole?

She's a ship, not a boat, and her namesakes are very dead.

26 posted on 10/11/2017 8:05:39 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: Mr. K

[[Why on earth would they name a boat after a living a$$hole?

You never know what the damn fool will do next.]]

He is a screw up and a disgrace but his father and grandfather were both Admirals , both were named John McCain.
The ship was named after both Admirals and not the Senator .


27 posted on 10/11/2017 8:06:26 AM PDT by Lera (1 Corinthians 15:1-4)
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To: mandaladon

Find it difficult to believe, given our Navy’s optempo over the last 15 years, that the CO only had three deployments. Most Department Heads have more than that. Apparently the key to selection for command of a billion dollar warship is duty as an Admiral’s aide and a tour in the Puzzle Palace, not demonstrated competence at sea.


28 posted on 10/11/2017 8:06:51 AM PDT by GreyHoundSailor
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To: Mr. K

It was named after his father...


29 posted on 10/11/2017 8:07:12 AM PDT by GOPJ (Morning Joe: Speaking Hate to Power.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

SGT Provo WANTED his name on the privy.


30 posted on 10/11/2017 8:07:22 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: txrefugee
You're right.

"Sanchez and Sanchez" has "obama social experiment" written all over it.

31 posted on 10/11/2017 8:09:59 AM PDT by skimbell
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To: Enterprise

That would be the Command Master Chief. While there was no such billet when I was in, I believe it’s the most senior Master Chief on the ship.


32 posted on 10/11/2017 8:11:24 AM PDT by Bob (Damn, the democrats haven't been this upset since Republicans freed their slaves.)
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To: GreyHoundSailor
Apparently the key to selection for command of a billion dollar warship is duty as an Admiral’s aide and a tour in the Puzzle Palace, not demonstrated competence at sea.

That is the way it rolls and has been for decades.

A good friend of mine was selected to command a "boomer" but at the last minute the aide to some admiral high up at the Pentagon was given the boat.

33 posted on 10/11/2017 8:15:45 AM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: Mr. K

FYI ..... the ship is named from Admiral John McCain who commanded Naval Aviation in the Pacific during WW II.

That included Marine Squadron 214 of Black Sheep fame.


34 posted on 10/11/2017 8:17:47 AM PDT by bert (K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;WASP .... The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column)
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To: mandaladon

Gotta give commands to the Anglos. Let the Mexicans drive the Chevvies.


35 posted on 10/11/2017 8:19:15 AM PDT by VietVet876
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To: Mr. K

It was named after his Father or Grandfather, both admirals, also named John McCain.


36 posted on 10/11/2017 8:29:59 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: Mr. K

Named after McCain’s grandfather (who commanded Navy air assets in the Pacific during WWII), and his father, who was CINCPAC while Johnny was in the Hanoi Hilton.

McCain’s father and grandfather were honorable men who served the country faithfully and honorably. Can’t say the same about the Senator.


37 posted on 10/11/2017 8:33:34 AM PDT by ExNewsExSpook
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To: mandaladon
While the investigation is ongoing, it is evident the collision was preventable, the commanding officer exercised poor judgement, and the executive officer exercised poor leadership of the ship’s training program.

Yes that seems obvious.

Ten of your crew dead - some heads need to roll. They are lucky they are not facing Article 15 proceedings.

38 posted on 10/11/2017 8:38:24 AM PDT by Rummyfan (In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. Support Israel.)
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To: Road Warrior ‘04

Sailors consider it bad luck to change the name of a ship one it is commissioned.


39 posted on 10/11/2017 8:45:43 AM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: Bull Snipe
Paraphrasing an old war movie...

I want you to paint this name on the bow of your ship: Leper Colony. Because in it you're gonna get every deadbeat in the outfit. Every man with a penchant for head colds. If there's a lookout who can't hit his plate with his fork, you get him. If there's a navigator who can't find the men's room, you get him. Because you rate him.

Maybe the Navy needs a ship of misfits as a lesson to the rest of the fleet?

-PJ

40 posted on 10/11/2017 8:56:34 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (The 1st Amendment gives the People the right to a free press, not CNN the right to the 1st question.)
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