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To: peyton randolph

So you think Catalan residents should just be handed over to the hard left? The majority, most of whom did not vote because they were scared away by the masked leftists at the polls the last time around, when only 30% of registered voters voted, actually were opposed to independence in the survey done a couple of months ago.

This voting was insane, the leftist dream vote: ballots not sealed, dumped on the floor so you could see the name just in case anybody voted against independence, carried from place to place, printed on home printers, no supervision except from the “independence” party that had called the election...

I agree that the Spanish government handled this badly, but there have been years of radical leftist provocation behind this. Don’t forget things like the supermarket bombing in the 80s and other attacks by Esquerra Republicana (allied with ETA and the PLO).

Catalonia has the highest percentage of Muslims in Spain, and most of them turned out for “independence” - give Catalonia 10 years, and it will be Europe’s first officially Muslim state.

As the South at the start of the American Civil War, they’re cutting off their nose to spite their face - and to protect a few privileged commercial and political interests.


13 posted on 10/01/2017 2:33:49 PM PDT by livius
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To: livius

if you argue against independence voting

then you believe in tyranny


18 posted on 10/01/2017 2:40:28 PM PDT by vooch (America First Drain the Swamp)
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To: livius

It’s not handing Catalonia over to the hard left. It’s always been the hard left since at least the days when the communists were fighting Franco in the Spanish Civil War.

And if they choose to be conquered by the Moors again, so what? We are not the world’s nanny.

As for the voting that happened last time, that’s a red herring regarding a nonbinding referendum. To the extent today’s voting has been tampered with, it’s been the Spanish nationalists confiscating ballot boxes, stomping on the faces of voters, and firing rubber bullets.

In short, the “hard left” bogeyman isn’t justification for denying Catalonia independence.

I find it interesting that some independence movements are supported by certain FReepers and the establishment while others are not. For example, it’s okay for Kosovo to separate from Serbia. Or West Virginia from Virginia. Yet a southern Confederacy, independent Catalonia, CalExit, sovereign Kurdistan, etc. are verboten. Guess it depends upon whose ox is being gored rather than a consistent set of principles regarding the role of government.


29 posted on 10/01/2017 3:09:50 PM PDT by peyton randolph (Socialism Lite is still Socialism)
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To: livius

True.


31 posted on 10/01/2017 3:24:34 PM PDT by SaraJohnson ( Whites must sue for racism. It's pay day.)
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To: livius

Thank you for your commentary. I had no idea....Does not sound good for Europe.


37 posted on 10/01/2017 3:47:31 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Vacate the chair! Ryan must go.)
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To: livius

I thought that the muzzies were already taking over in Catalonia.


81 posted on 10/03/2017 7:03:07 PM PDT by Paladin2 (No spelchk nor wrong word auto substition on mobile dev. Please be intelligent and deal with it....)
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