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To: Alberta's Child

1. If Ryan and McConnell start bottling up legislation that Trump wants passed in committee, Trump will burn the entire party to the ground, and we will see Democratic majorities for the next 20 years. This is always the danger of President Trump. He has nearly carte blanche permission to do whatever he wants with 35 percent of the electorate. He can’t win an election with that. But he can sure as hell make sure that the Republicans never win anything again with that. Ryan and McConnell are not going to resist him to that point.

2. I think Trump is 100 percent serious about the filibuster. I don’t think he gives a damn about Senate traditions or what this might mean under President Harris in 4 or 8 years. He wants stuff passed. And I think his calculus is that a Manchin and Heitkamp might go along with him without the filibuster. Which, honestly, is not a crazy idea. There is little danger for a Dem in voting against cloture on any bill. That’s too hard to put in an ad. It’s another to have a vote on the record on a real bill.


31 posted on 09/08/2017 1:33:16 PM PDT by WVMnteer
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To: WVMnteer

Point #1 has nothing to do with any deals with Democrats. Trump didn’t have to cut a deal with Pelosi and Schumer on an inconsequential three-month spending bill to make that point. Point #2 doesn’t address the point I made. If the GOP couldn’t even get 50 votes for an Obamacare repeal bill that they’d been promising for seven years, then what’s the point of eliminating the 60-vote cloture rule? You didn’t see any Democrats crossing the aisle to support the Obamacare repeal bill, did you?


38 posted on 09/08/2017 1:40:25 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I was elected to represent the citizens of Pittsburgh, not Paris." -- President Trump, 6/1/2017)
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To: WVMnteer
If Ryan and McConnell start bottling up legislation that Trump wants passed in committee

What do you mean "start?" They haven't passed a damn thing of Trump's since he was Inaugurated. Even on Gorsuch, McConnell had to have his teeth pulled.

Do you realize how angry the base is at the GOP Congress? Two Congressman already have said they are not running next year. You have primary challengers lining up.

So instead of harnessing this anger and passion what does Trump do? Well, I'll just work with the people who have been calling me a Nazi and Russian lover and for my impeachment for weeks! That'll show Ryan/McConnell!

39 posted on 09/08/2017 1:40:34 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (We're right, you're wrong - that's the end of the argument.)
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To: WVMnteer
... what this might mean under President Harris in 4 or 8 years

Hmmm ... your implication being the American electorate will in four years be ready for another far-Left mulatto to lead the country. If so, then you must accept that our Constitution and our Republic are in mortal danger.

110 posted on 09/08/2017 4:44:27 PM PDT by glennaro
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