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To: combat_boots
The people behind CWI were in Lincoln’s 2nd cabinet. They were the winners.

They may be some of the public face of the beast that can be identified, but I believe the real pushers for war were the captains of Northern Industry to whom an independent South would seem a great financial threat to themselves.

Northern Newspapers of the time pointed out just how much financial catastrophe would occur regarding them if the South was allowed to go in peace.

Now that I think about it, I believe every member of Lincoln's cabinet but one urged him not to send his war fleet to Charleston. They all told him it would cause a civil war, and they did not wish such a thing to happen.

Lincoln did it anyway. Apparently he wanted a civil war.

53 posted on 09/09/2017 3:27:19 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

“the captains of Northern Industry”

Those are the ones exactly.


54 posted on 09/09/2017 3:39:34 PM PDT by combat_boots (God bless Israel and all who protect and defend her! Merry Christmas! In God We Trust!)
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DiogenesLamp: "I believe the real pushers for war were the captains of Northern Industry to whom an independent South would seem a great financial threat to themselves."

No, wealthy Northern Democrats -- those close political allies, business associates & personal friends to Southern planters -- those are the Northerners who lost the most from secession & war and whose temporary shift to support the Union made Northern victory possible.
Those are the same people today who exert undue influence, even as the nominal Congressional minority over way-too-timid Republicans.

DiogenesLamp: "...every member of Lincoln's cabinet but one urged him not to send his war fleet to Charleston.
They all told him it would cause a civil war, and they did not wish such a thing to happen."

And as you well know, Jefferson Davis' own Secretary of State warned Davis not to start war at Fort Sumter:

But Davis ignored Toombs, as does DiogenesLamp.

59 posted on 09/10/2017 7:40:22 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Now that I think about it, I believe every member of Lincoln's cabinet but one urged him not to send his war fleet to Charleston. They all told him it would cause a civil war, and they did not wish such a thing to happen.

You would be wrong. At the meeting of his cabinet on March 29, following Scott's recommendation that both Sumter and Pickens be surrendered to the Confederates, the entire cabinet except for William Seward who agreed with Scott and Simon Cameron who was absent voted to hold on to Sumter and Pickens. Montgomery Blair even threatened to resign if Lincoln gave in to Scott's recommendation. Source is Lincoln by David Herbert Donald, page 288-289.

Lincoln did it anyway. Apparently he wanted a civil war.

Jefferson Davis was warned by his own Secretary of State, Robert Toombs, that "The firing upon that fort will inaugurate a civil war greater than any the world has yet seen. Mr. President, at this time it is suicide, murder, and will lose us every friend at the North. You will wantonly strike a hornet's nest which extends from mountains to ocean, and legions now quiet will swarm out and sting us to death. It is unnecessary; it puts us in the wrong; it is fatal."

Davis did it anyway. Apparently he wanted a Civil War.

64 posted on 09/10/2017 11:57:37 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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