Posted on 09/02/2017 5:31:01 PM PDT by walford
I studied Fascism under one of the leading hitorians in the field: Dr. Gilbert Allardyce.
Modern fascism evolves from the left, as it did around the world prior to WWII in both Europe and the United States, as well as Japan.
In each historic case they were nationalists, the present day American fascists are racial and ethnic nationalists. They are also socialists who want to redistribute wealth according to their nationalist protocols . All want a brave new world, a Utopia , available only through a totalitarian State.Added to their cry for historic justice are rumblings of destruction.``````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
Read here:
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html
A Hugo Chavez, for example, is a Marxist. And a Fascist. At the same time, and I don't think its even possible to separate these elements.
As a practical matter, they go together. You might be able to separate between them in the laboratory, but as you find them in nature they are a single animal.
Went to a Dinesh D’Souza speech about a year ago when he talked about the KKK’s ties to the rat party and his time in prison.
Read mannnny years ago Fascism is a form of socialism that government controls private property by regulation, communism controls private property by ownership.
That seems pretty accurate. NAZI translate to National Socialist German Worker’s Party.
The ONLY people who consider the NAZI right wing are the communist, the idiots falling for the Anti-Fa, and a bunch of goofy old ladies who think the rats care about them.
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“... the present day American fascists are racial and ethnic nationalists.”
They see themselves as benevolent Lords over a dusky Third World plantation where the citizenry is deliberately kept impoverished, ignorant, disenfranchised — and dependent.
That is why they are so hysterical at the suggestion of stopping illegal immigration and having young male Muslim ‘refugees’ forced upon our neighbors.
You're right. It's about control over the middle and lower class. Both groups.
Visited family living in a communist country in the 80's. It was absolutely appalling and a major eye opener.
There was no middle class! Just the ruling elites and those who lived off their scraps.
My cousin who was a bank VP and his wife a teacher had half the living space that I had as a college student!
His dad, a railroad conductor and his wife, a school secretary, half that! 2 fricken rooms with a bathroom and phone down the hall!
This was in Yugoslavia. Russians I've met say the Yugos had a party compared to what they went through under the USSR.
Their major dept. store had one rack of dresses in Zagreb which was right next to the toilet plungers!!!!
As a youngin, this was shocking and reinforced my Russian Grandfather Anti-Bolshevics, pro-small government rants. He went through the revolution and taught me well.
Fascism is always the softer sell then Marxism because it gives the pretense of private ownership. “Yes you can own your own factory but we, the state, will control the production process’’. “Yes you can own your own home but we, the state, will tell you how you’re going to live in it’’. What both systems don’t allow however is private ownership of one’s thoughts and speech.
You will notice that much of the Left’s efforts are aimed at destroying the middle class. Obamacare is a case in point. It flipped the majority of new jobs from being full-time to part-time. It increased the number of those dependent upon government.
The self-sufficient middle class is a natural enemy of collectivism, because they are invested in lower taxes and smaller government.
The Left’s ultimate goal is to create a medieval socio-economic structure. There is a tiny elite lording over an impoverished mass. The only difference is leadership is selected by political blood-sport rather than birth.
Many years ago, Simon Wiesenthal of the Vienna Documentation Center, send me two versions of a book/study entitled “Ex-Nazis in the East German Government (Pankow Government).
I was tracking down a suspected KGB operative who was covering up for former Nazis in several Soviet Block governments (esp. East Germany and Czechoslovakia), for an article I was working on.
The suspected KGB operative was a longtime Communist Party USA front man whose job it was involved discrediting legitimate Nazi-hunters like the Klarsfelds and Wiesenthal and fooling ABC into thinking that he was the leader in this field.
Therefor my article not only exposed his real identity but I also threw in 5 prime examples of high-ranking ex Nazi offcials, including senior SS officers, who held positions in the East German (GDR) cabinet, the police etc. One was the deputy commandant of the Sachsenhausen work/concentration camp named Ernest Grossmann.
Interestingly, this CPUSA/KGB operative quickly disappeared from the public scene re the news media and I never saw him again in any major news story about ex-Nazis.
Moral of the story: Scratch a Communist police officer of rank in the Communist Block during the Cold War and you will probably find an ex-Nazi (Gestapo or SS officer) underneath the new red uniform.
Today’s Black Bloc anarchists are nothing but Communist street thugs using a modified “anti-capitalist” Marxist program to justify their aims and methods.
Thanks to writers like Dinesh and others, Freepers are getting the real story about the Antifa, the American Nazis, and other extremists that the mainstream media DOES NOT KNOW, WANT YOU TO KNOW, OR EVEN CARE ABOUT.
So as I say to the Leftist Lunatics, “Seigy Hail” comrades. Same old, same old, new names, new flags, same old commie bullshit!
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Atta go Walford! This thread is one of the most enlightening ever posted on Free Republic.
It defines fascism as originating with the left, true to the history of fascism itself.
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Communist->Fascist->Liberal->Democrat->Moderate->Republican->Conservative->Libertarian->Anarchist
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Excellent article and first post.
Corporate socialism in our day.
Too big to fail.
Etc.
Fascism is correctly considered part of the right because it supports things like: nation, family, tradition, hierarchy, order. All of these are hated by the left.
While both may be collectivist in nature, the exact form and aims of that collectivism differs. Fascism wants to make the people as a whole (the nation) stronger while socialism wants to make individuals equal in their condition.
Economic organization is only one small part of the overall philosophies. To concentrate on that alone misses larger contexts and reasons for collectivizing. For instance fascism tends to be more permissive of religion where as the socialism tends to undermine or prohibit religious expression.
You may not like or favor fascism but it is correctly considered part of the right, just as antifa or anarchism are correctly considered part of the left.
Saying things like “antifa are the real fascists” gains you nothing and merely looks like an attempt at a cheap rhetorical trick. Antifa are probably best described as left-wing anarchists. They oppose and want to destroy, nation, order, tradition, and family. Right wing collectivists tend to want to support or impose (through state power) all of these things.
You may not like collectivism and may make clear your disdain for it, but claiming left is right and right is left makes no sense.
Interestingly the fasces is included in may official seals.
“Fascism is correctly considered part of the right because it supports things like: nation, family, tradition, hierarchy, order.”
It’s really hard to say that they are anarchists, because they piss and moan about social programs being cut. How can you be against government if you favor collectivist redistribution?
There’s a generational split on the understanding of the term “fascist” tracing to the takeover of the US system of public education by Marxists, who were deeply traumatized by being allied with National Socialism from the outset of WWII. Mussolini, Hitler, et al. were fine with them right up to the point that they turned on “Uncle Joe” Stalin. They are, however, ideological soulmates.
People under the age of, say, 40 or so have been taught that US conservatism is by nature de facto fascist, by thinly disguised International Socialists with a vested interest in conflating the matter. However, the vast majority of people being called “fascist” by quislings of the German organization Anti-Fa or more fully and correctly “Antifaschistische Aktion” are ideologically descended from those who fought both Fascism/Nazism and Marxism. Anti-Fa, by comparison, are ideologically descended from communists attempting to wrest control of the entirety of the divided German country, from the Soviet zone that came to be known as East Germany.
Look up the history of “Antifasciste Action” going back to practically the Weimar era in Germany. Their objectives and methods today are much as they were then. To call them the “Red Front” is historically accurate, as they’re not exactly shy about calling themselves that outside of the United States.
I was talking about right versus left. The conservatism you refer to is relatively new (Barry Goldwater), is a small part of the overall right, and tends to be limited to the Anglosphere.
Are you saying modern conservatism is not for nation, family, and tradition? That would make sense given its utter failure to preserve any of these.
From your description it might be true to say that conservatives are the real liberals (albeit the classical type). It may also be true to say that fascism is not part of modern American conservatism, but that does not mean it is not part of the broader right wing. Just because it does not believe in tax cuts and the free-market does mean it is left-wing. The particular focus on those narrow issues is a feature of modern conservatism and not something inherently right-wing.
Fascists, Socialists, Marxists, AntiFa, BlackLivesMatter, the KKK, the Neo-NAZIs are all collectivist statists. They all believe in government as the Alpha and Omega. They are all Leftists.
Further, the entire 2-dimensional right-left spectrum is fraudulent, set up to give the false impression that the only choices are different forms of dictatorship. I recall a college class in which the professor presented us with a spectrum that had communism on one side and fascism on the other. Democracy and freedom was presented as in the middle of those.
Freedom is not a compromise between fascism and socialism. It is completely off of that spectrum. Freedom is the optimal human condition. We are born free. Everything else is a perversion, a sickness in a given society.
Candor7 wrote: This thread is one of the most enlightening ever posted on Free Republic.
It defines fascism as originating with the left, true to the history of fascism itself.
Thanks, Candor7.
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