[bushpilot2]

Remove citizen. Was Obama natural born. You were natural born. The Founders were natural born.

Was Obama born the same natural kind? What were the Founders trying to do when they used the term natural born. Their language was Middle English.

Was Obama born the same natural kind as the Founders.

“Yearnings to be with her own natural kind” William Wordsworth

She does not want to be with her UnNatural Kind. People not her kind.

[arrogantsob]

There are three types of citizen: Native born; Naturalized and Natural born. Native born would be, for example, one born of a one parent not a citizen or one born outside the country to citizens not abroad for reasons of state i.e. a diplomat or military assigned abroad.

One has to believe that the Founders believed there is a difference with Natural born being different from the other two. Why else would there have been a constitutional requirement for the Presidency.

Senators and Representatives are eligible with either of the other two since many of them were foreign born and thereby Naturalized.

These distinctions are a foreign language to the vast majority of our citizens.

There was no nation so the Founders could not have been NBC that is why the requirement did not go into effect until seven years after ratification. (I am convinced that this time period was put in to allow Alexander Hamilton’s eligibility.)

Natural is used in a different sense than normal. In other words, it does not mean that those born via C-section are ineligible nor that it means natural childbirth as opposed to artificial.

My understanding is that it means a person who is born in the country of citizens at the time of birth. This was designed to secure concerns about sovereignty and to exclude dual alligence/citizenship.

Removal of “citizen” from the requirement makes the condition meaningless and disregards the Founders’ intention altogether.

[Wallace T.]

If we accept that Obama was born in Hawaii, the fact remains that his father is reported to be Barack Obama, Sr., a native of Kenya. Therefore, he was not born to two natural born parents., In the case of Cruz, he was born in Canada of an American citizen mother and a Cuban-born father. He would therefore not be eligible for the Presidency. Then we have the case of Chester Arthur, reportedly a native of Vermont, the son of an Irish born father and non-citizen and a native born American mother. The Irish birth of his father was no secret, yet Arthur served as President. Of course, Arthur was never elected President on his own, but completed the term of the assassinated James Garfield. Due to health issues, he did not pursue the Republican nomination in 1884.

You have to wonder why the Democrats of that time did not challenge the legitimacy of his holding office, but as far as I can tell, they did not.